Will Michelle Win!!
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Michelle Wiens her first professional event.
tbarbertab
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Looks like a three way battle between Wie, Stanford, and Park. I'd like to see any of the 3 win. Park has a great swing, and I've always liked Angela Stanford. It would be nice to see Wie get the monkey (...the media) off her back.
Should be interesting!
Hey SelfMastery, I know LoCho is not playing this week, so who do you see pulling this one out?
Should be interesting!
Hey SelfMastery, I know LoCho is not playing this week, so who do you see pulling this one out?
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self-mastery
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I'm glad that Wie was in contention. I really hope to see Wie, Ochoa, Creamer, and Petterson battle it out. I really hope that Wie has a good year, and wins at least once.
Kevin Shields
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Looks like a lack of development as a junior haunts her again. Cant close.
self-mastery
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I believe that "learning how to win" is a stupid concept. Post the lowest score, and get on with it.
back 9
michelle is a good player, but i agree with kevin she needs to learn how to win......all tournaments "begin"
when the back 9 begins on the last day
correct me if i am wrong...but she had a 3 shot lead at 10 and lost by 3....oops 6 shot swing....
she will win... but only after she LEARNS how to win.....i hope so
hjack
michelle is a good player, but i agree with kevin she needs to learn how to win......all tournaments "begin"
when the back 9 begins on the last day
correct me if i am wrong...but she had a 3 shot lead at 10 and lost by 3....oops 6 shot swing....
she will win... but only after she LEARNS how to win.....i hope so
hjack
How many tournaments have you played in/won before? And yes, it IS relevant to the discussion
.thefuture37
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its about having been there before. knowing what it feels like so it doesnt affect you. tiger had already done crazy ass shit(ridiculous back nine comebacks in US Ams anyone?) before he ever won a tour event. it matters.
birdie_man
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Pressure screws with people man.
Golf pressure and any kind of pressure.....there are some different (specialized) things but I am not sure they are that much different.
Golf pressure and any kind of pressure.....there are some different (specialized) things but I am not sure they are that much different.
Kevin Shields
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Self, actually cant believe this was posted by you. Unbelievable that someone cant buy into the concept of learning to close out a tournament.
Steve Greffen
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Learning how to win is one thing, having the preparation and right mindset etc. but the desire to win (not play well and see what happens) is something that is very hard to teach. It is what Tiger is waaaayyyy ahead of everyone else on. He wants to win more than anyone else. Listening to Michelle at times is like "yeah like I would really like to win like you know". Even back at similar ages Tiger was pretty focused on what he wanted. You listen to guys on tour and they almost fear saying that they are soley out to win because if they miss the cut people will look at them sideways, like they weren't trying.
Remember the Open at Pebble? What kept Tiger going when he was way ahead of everyone? You listen to him after and how he said he was grinding, yelling at himself to keep it up and not quit. Same at his first Masters, way ahead but self determination to grind it out all the way and never coast. Like I said before dont think you read a book on how to do that but Michelle could use a little bit of it.
Remember the Open at Pebble? What kept Tiger going when he was way ahead of everyone? You listen to him after and how he said he was grinding, yelling at himself to keep it up and not quit. Same at his first Masters, way ahead but self determination to grind it out all the way and never coast. Like I said before dont think you read a book on how to do that but Michelle could use a little bit of it.
Interesting idea on "learning how to win".
I think there is definitely something to the concept, but it's completely different for each individual. For me in tournament play, I use to come in way to jacked up and actually trying way too hard to win. I go out and walk 9 by myself and casually shoot 36-38, then blow up in a tournament round.
I had to learn to take pressure off of myself and just act like it was another casual round. For others, I'm sure it's the opposite.
As far as Wie goes, I've been really down on her, because I thought everything was handed to her and she hadn't earned it. Her playing on the men's tour before she had won a women's event really ticked me off.
Now that she went out and earned her card the right way, I wish her all the luck in the world on the women's tour.
I think there is definitely something to the concept, but it's completely different for each individual. For me in tournament play, I use to come in way to jacked up and actually trying way too hard to win. I go out and walk 9 by myself and casually shoot 36-38, then blow up in a tournament round.
I had to learn to take pressure off of myself and just act like it was another casual round. For others, I'm sure it's the opposite.
As far as Wie goes, I've been really down on her, because I thought everything was handed to her and she hadn't earned it. Her playing on the men's tour before she had won a women's event really ticked me off.
Now that she went out and earned her card the right way, I wish her all the luck in the world on the women's tour.
PSYCHOLOGY
JUST a quick story about how mindset is all part of the learning curve, not to be funny- just honest
a golfer goes to a sports psychologist
the psychologist says tell me about number 12 you say you cant par.
the golfer says..trees on the left all the way down the fairway
3 sandtraps on the right hand side.....220 320 and near the green.
water in front of the green
the psychologist stops him and asks him this question
tell me john......IS THERE ANY FAIRWAY ON THIS HOLE??????
PHYSICAL AND MENTAL LEARNING IS ALL PART OF THE CURVE.....
THATS why kevin , bman, jimk etc.....find what the right pattern is......makes it easier to repeat...
howard
JUST a quick story about how mindset is all part of the learning curve, not to be funny- just honest
a golfer goes to a sports psychologist
the psychologist says tell me about number 12 you say you cant par.
the golfer says..trees on the left all the way down the fairway
3 sandtraps on the right hand side.....220 320 and near the green.
water in front of the green
the psychologist stops him and asks him this question
tell me john......IS THERE ANY FAIRWAY ON THIS HOLE??????
PHYSICAL AND MENTAL LEARNING IS ALL PART OF THE CURVE.....
THATS why kevin , bman, jimk etc.....find what the right pattern is......makes it easier to repeat...
howard
Rory McIlroy is learning how to close out tournaments. In the event in Dubai, he almost threw another one away but managed to pull it out. I think it will matter for him. Wie hasn't quite done it yet at a pro level. Learning just how to win the flight at your club makes you a better player, I can only imagine how much learning to cope with pro tour pressure helps you improve. Tiger's parents did it right - let him dominate at his own level for years. Even if he could have been a middling pro at 16.
To me, even though Michelle lost there was one big change - her putting was much improved under pressure and she made some very good putts when it counted. That's promising as she's always looked bad to mediocre on the greens in the past.
Wie's swing looks mechanical and robotic to me now now. But she has the ramrod straight spine that TV golf commentators ooh and ahh over and that's what counts, right? Her follow-through now looks clipped and cut-off; posed to meet some weird arbitrary standard. Michelle had a much more dynamic swing at 14 years old, and she hit it further, too. But maybe she's talented enough to overcome the robot pattern?
To me, even though Michelle lost there was one big change - her putting was much improved under pressure and she made some very good putts when it counted. That's promising as she's always looked bad to mediocre on the greens in the past.
Wie's swing looks mechanical and robotic to me now now. But she has the ramrod straight spine that TV golf commentators ooh and ahh over and that's what counts, right? Her follow-through now looks clipped and cut-off; posed to meet some weird arbitrary standard. Michelle had a much more dynamic swing at 14 years old, and she hit it further, too. But maybe she's talented enough to overcome the robot pattern?
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thefuture37
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wanting to win badly and learning how to win are different.
self-mastery
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Someone please breakdown what "learning how to win" is?
Does she need to learn how to play with a lead?
Does she need to learn how to play from behind?
Steve Greffen
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As opposed to Justin Rose. It was a hard road for him back but what a good story from him rebounding and getting to the highest level. Ty Tryon on the other hand is still struggling as far as I know.
Yeah kind of like Charles Howell's swing. I wonder who her instructor is?!?
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