Mike Thomas (sunmart)
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A controversy a brewing? If he hacks it like this at Whistling Straits, I don't see Pavin picking him.I could see Tiger telling Pavin he is not interested in playing.
Will Pavin Pick Tiger?
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Richie3Jack
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Very good friend of mine has attended every Ryder Cup on both sides of the lake since '87 and he tells me that the American fans are far less unruly than the European fans, regardless of what the Euros claim. I think the Euro fans will really let into Tiger if he plays. I also don't think the rest of the US Team likes Tiger all that much...didn't seem that way when he wasn't in KY.
I think the Ryder Cup captain should always lean towards picking younger players instead of retreads. This way you get young guys valuable experience and may find a diamond in the rough who is just incredibly good in Ryder Cup play. I think when the Euros dominated the Ryder Cup, that's basically what they did..even if it was out of necessity. While we were churning out poor Ryder Cup players like DLIII, Furyk, Faxon (all guys I like, but were poor in Ryder Cup play), the Euros were putting in young guys that were unknown commodities, but some turned into great Ryder Cup players.
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mgranato
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He would've easily missed a cut this week. If he takes this same game into next week, he will be embarrassed on that stretch of lunar topography - 967 bunkers, no chance.
The question will be, does Pavin have the brass golf balls to make the decision that should be made.
It will be a distraction either way.
The question will be, does Pavin have the brass golf balls to make the decision that should be made.
It will be a distraction either way.
WoodbridgeGolf37
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That 4-wood onto the 18th at Shinnecock on Sunday says he does...
rogerdodger
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More importantly, should Montgomerie pick Langer? Tiger will be on the team. Langer would be a great pick.
Richie3Jack
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Over Casey and Sergio?
Not so sure Langer isn't playing better than Sergio now and with the riff between he and Paddy...but that's a tough decision for Monty.
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earthshine2k
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If Tiger doesn't qualify for the team, I think Pavin will select him. But, I don't think Tiger will accept the invitation. I don't think Corey Pavin would dare not choose him, but thats' not to say it's a wise selection. My guess is that Pavin already knows that Tiger won't play if he doesn't qualify for the team. That way, Corey can pick Tiger and save face when Tiger declines. That team doesn't need Tiger Woods; and certainly not the way he's been playing this year. I think it will work out to Tiger's benefit to miss the FedEX Cup Playoffs and the Ryder Cup. This is a lost year for Woods, but he had to get through it all now rather than sit out and come back next March. I think he'll be much better next year.
The idea of picking seniors is a bad one, when it's because they are beating other seniors. You might as well suggest Cristie Kerr as an American pick. If these Seniors were playing as good as Ryder cup players, they would still be playing Regular tour events.
betterlead
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If you yanks wont have him on your team, can we Europeans borrow him, just for the RC? 
Please?
Please?aaron_lohan
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I think Europe have too much depth to even need to consider Langer, But Tiger Woods I would be tempted to publicly question if Tiger Woods is ready and knowing Tiger Woods he would be fired up to play and have a point to prove. I think he would be good for 3 points in 5 games.
betterlead
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I couldn't agree more with you.
mgranato
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Are they going to a Ft. Lauderdale format this year?
rogerdodger
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Nonsense, there is no reason whatsoever that a senior cannot play as well a pga tour player in a match play tournament. First, Watson proved your overall theory wrong at the Open last year. Second, it is match play and few players go two matches per day or eighteen holes. Why play on the seniors tour when you can play on the regular tour? No cuts, three rounds. They are pros for a reason, they want to make money. Whether its Watson, Tiger or Ishikawa, a pro is trying to make as much cash as possible. Langer hits it as long as he did in his prime and is easily one of the top twenty iron players in the world. Ryder Cup is three days, one match per day, he would do as well as most other captain picks Monty has available. Beyond Casey, the pickings are slim.
tallathlete
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I can answer that right now...absolutely no. I cant stand Tiger and he is awful right now....but the worlds #1 player...the most marketed athlete in the world....the owner of 14 major titles.... has absolutely zero chance of not being picked. Unless he doesn't want to play. Pavin doesn't have the stones to tell him no.
mgranato
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I'm afraid you're right.
But what if he's not #1 anymore?
He did everything today but mouth the words "don't pick me, please, don't pick me!"
1st I'd like to say that I have nothing but respect for the Champions tour players. My point is that they are playing against inferior fields. If these guys were still playing as well as ever, or well enough to make a Ryder Cup team, they wouldn't need the Champions tour at all. You mentioned that they are playing the Seniors tour for money. I agree. Last year 36 players on the "Regular tour" made more money than Langer did on the Senior Tour. Many of these 36 players won't be in the Ryder cup. Looking back at Langer's last 3 years on the "regular tour" His money list finishes were: 2004 (83rd), 2005
(84th), 2006 (138th) I would also think that anyone that is good enough to be on a Ryder cup team is capable of winning a Major. Langer hasn't made a cut in a major since 2005.
Fred Couples would another "senior" that many people should think would be a good pick for the Ryder Cup team. This season he has 6 top 2's on the Champions tour. On the "regular tour" you have to go back to 2005 to find a 2nd place finish. And he hasn't been inside the top 75 on the Money list on the "regular tour" since 2005 ( 38th) and thats not good enough to make a Ryder cup team.
Tommorow, Mark Calcavecchia has a good chance to win the 1st of what I think could be many Champions tour events, if he can hold off the likes of David Frost ( great player, but no majors and last win 1997 ) David Peoples ( 2 tour wins. Last 1992 ) & Kirk Hanefeld ( 1971 New hampshire junior Champ. A few years ago I played 2 rounds in an event with him. Apparently he's recovered from that traumatic experience ) Mark played better than Langer & Couples on the "regular tour from Age 45-50, but hasn't been on a Ryder cup team since 2002.
The day will come that a senior player is good enough to be on a Ryder cup team, but it hasn't happened yet and when it does, he'll be playing with the young guys. By the way you shouldn't be so quick to pick Langer. You not only have a couple players that have won in the past 5 weeks, ( Jimenez, Fisher ) you also have veterans like Garcia, Karlsson, & Stenson. How about Francesco Molinari? Pair him with his brother. I like your team.
TROYNYGOLFER
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My guess is that Pavin makes it known via trusted acquaintances that he would prefer not to have Tiger on the team and to devise a mutually acceptable scenario for Tiger to "decline."
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