Working on NSA principles

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golfman5900

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Working on NSA principles - updated

Hi everyone,
I watched NSA for the first time this morning and then went to an indoor hitting area for a little practice. A lot of the ideas were completely new to me, so I really just worked on the twist away concept for the most part. I seemed to be hitting the ball pretty well (although I still had my fair share of misses) and I was quite happy with how my swing looked after only implementing one part of NSA. The biggest change I noticed was how much shorter my swing was (its still a little long, but compared to my old over swing this is a lot shorter) and how I looked really stable. I also noticed that I have better positions with the shorter clubs compared to the longer clubs.

I still need to improve my ability to "lag the sweetspot" and I'm going to try to start adding in other pieces like the wedding ring up and the movie screen idea as I progress.

I wasn't a slicer, but I was a flipper (still am). My shots were usually mid height and fairly straight (sometimes a little fade or draw). My miss was always a big push, sometimes a push fade (which some would call a slice I suppose :rolleyes:).

I also have CoFF, and I will be working on maintaining my lag as well. I'm currently in the process of saving up some cash for a tour striker pro!

I'll definitely need to watch NSA a few more times to fully understand the concepts (or just remember them all)!

Let me know what you think guys!

Here are the videos (there are lots of them!....mix of good and bad shots, regular and slow motion):

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeSdsDCZCPE[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi7gbY3IyO0[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d718NLxJ7-E[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO6kaLm25Es[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYsZvifpgcY[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdZbwl0U2Z8[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sxqLNCg8y4[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i2stEuegJE[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qkKFRK1RYo[/media]

Thanks,
Golfman
 
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Good stuff. Keep working on it. Definitely do the movie screen and wedding ring up, but I think it would best be done outside to get the ball flight at your target. Keep the hands going to a spot about 6 inches to a foot in front of the ball while twistawaying on the downswing to help lag the sweetspot and reduce/eliminate the flip.
 
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I agree with getting outside to see some ball flight. If your misses were push fades and blocks with a flip you may not see anything but low snap hooks with some NSA principles. It sounds like at baseline you swing too far right and may need to swing more left rather than fix the face. People who hit a pull slice (swinging left with an open face) generally need to fix the face. Your backswing does not look like a slicer's. People who hit huge blocks and push fades need to fix the path because the open face is likely a result of a path too inside out.

I speak from experience as I spent several months on the twistaway and other NSA principles to "fix" my blocks and ended up with a 15 yard draw with a lob wedge. The driver was unmentionable.
 
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golfman5900

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Hi guys,
Thanks for the replies. I would love to go outside for some ball flight footage! Unfortunately, the snow is a problem right now! Hopefully in a month or so the ranges will start to open up (I'm hoping for some global warming:D).

I'm probably going to continue working on twistaway and I'm going to also try to shorten my swing a little more (it almost looks like I stop at the top....I think my rhythm might be better if I start down a little earlier).

The shots I was hitting didn't feel like a smothered hook so I don't think they are going too far left (obviously I can't tell without the ballflight and I could be completely wrong).

As for my flip, why is it worse with the longer clubs? Also, to help get rid of it should I try for more internal rotation of the body, generating that high left shoulder at impact? Should I try to firm up my left side in general? My legs have a very bendy look to them through impact.

Thanks again,
Golfman
 
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golfman5900

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Ok I've been working on the wedding ring up feeling and trying to hit the box.

They seem to be helping me hold on to lag pressure a little better, and on smaller shots (pitch like shots) I can actually hit the box. On full swings it breaks down a little and I'm not sure why.

I think my lower body movement might be a little suspect.

For the wedding ring up drill, is this movement the natural rotation of the wrists that should occur during the golf swing? If it is, I've definitely never done it exactly like this (or at least felt it this way). Also, I seem to be coming in quite steep (you'll notice the camera shake when I strike the ball) and was wondering if this is a result of the drill. I also noticed a few of my shots going left now (low left to be exact). I think I might be over doing the drill, but I'm not sure. Also, due to the fact that I appear to come into impact better while doing the drill, I'm reluctant to stop it. I noticed that my clubface is more closed at the top now than it was in my previous videos as well.

Finally, I've been trying to feel the lagging of the sweetspot on the index finger, but I'm having some real difficulties. I can do it on shorter swings, but I lose the feeling totally on big swings. I've tried just swinging with my eyes closed, but I can't feel it on my index finger at all. I've even used the pure ball striker training aid (which helped me on the shorter swings), but I still dont get the feeling on the full swings. Do you guys have any other tips?

here are the videos:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoSReAm52E8[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBkqt3d_Ez0[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOSqT4dr2pM[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ole8RhUPwcs[/media]


Thanks again for any help,
Golfman
 
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spktho

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The wedding ring up is the correct the "roll" for the left arm for someone prone to slice the ball. Kevin Shields said once that the right hand should feel like wiping the floor with a bent right wrist.

The thing that seemed to help me the most on losing the flip was to think about getting the hands way forward into impact. Like where you are, to get the hands outside the front of the mat before the club contacts the ball--it won't happen this way, but it will feel like that. And make sure you keep the axis tilt--neck behind the tail bone.

This will also help with the low left ball, but that is also why I suggested doing it outside. For now suggest having a target on the net straight in front of you so at least you get the initial direction right.
 
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dannyc

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golfman5900 said:
Ok I've been working on the wedding ring up feeling and trying to hit the box.

They seem to be helping me hold on to lag pressure a little better, and on smaller shots (pitch like shots) I can actually hit the box. On full swings it breaks down a little and I'm not sure why.

I think my lower body movement might be a little suspect.

For the wedding ring up drill, is this movement the natural rotation of the wrists that should occur during the golf swing? If it is, I've definitely never done it exactly like this (or at least felt it this way). Also, I seem to be coming in quite steep (you'll notice the camera shake when I strike the ball) and was wondering if this is a result of the drill. I also noticed a few of my shots going left now (low left to be exact). I think I might be over doing the drill, but I'm not sure. Also, due to the fact that I appear to come into impact better while doing the drill, I'm reluctant to stop it. I noticed that my clubface is more closed at the top now than it was in my previous videos as well.

Finally, I've been trying to feel the lagging of the sweetspot on the index finger, but I'm having some real difficulties. I can do it on shorter swings, but I lose the feeling totally on big swings. I've tried just swinging with my eyes closed, but I can't feel it on my index finger at all. I've even used the pure ball striker training aid (which helped me on the shorter swings), but I still dont get the feeling on the full swings. Do you guys have any other tips?



Thanks again for any help,
Golfman
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i wouldn't worry too much about lag pressure. that's great if you can feel it on pitch shots, but i don't think its possible to "maintain" through impact when the golf club is traveling 100 mph.
as far as "wedding ring up" it's not a "standard" swivel. a "full roll" (clubface to the plane) is more "standard;" wedding ring up is more like an extra full roll. all of these drills/feels are designed to keep the clubface from opening too much. that being said, it's hard to know which you need if you can't see the ballflight.
i would try to resist the temptation to tinker too much more without some sort of ballflight feedback. you don't want to practice producing low snappers.
 
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Kevin Shields

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I have some reservations about your grip but cant quite see it enough to comment. I would put a little "float load" into your swing to help you feel that #3 PP a little more. Use your body to stress the shaft in the takeaway a bit more and it could help.
 
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golfman5900

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Here's me taking my grip....a little more slowly than normal of course....

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qew9OeJXCLc[/media]


I have a question about maintaining lag though.....how do I do it on full swings? This is driving me nuts:confused:. I've tried the PBS, forward aiming point, directing lag pressure at the forward aiming point, doing hundreds of punch shots and partial swings etc etc......all of these helped me a lot. I can now maintain lag through impact on the shorter swings, like chips and pitches, heck I can even do it one handed. I understand the feeling of getting my hands forward, but my ability to do it is lost on full swings and I don't know why! Is it my pivot that is messing me up? Sometimes I also notice my centres move forward quite a bit as well, could this force me to dump my lag in order to hit the ball? Maybe its my grip? I have no idea:confused:

This is just very frustrating to me. My swing (after dropping S&T and getting back to my old swing) has been the same for quite a while now. I don't have a huge flip, just a little one, and it's only present on full swings. No matter what drill I do I can't get it out. The worst part is that I understand the feeling on the shorter shots, but can't integrate it into my full swing! It's like my brain has a short circuit. I know it is this problem that stops me from becoming a better ball striker. I came back down to a 7.9 index after going back to my old swing and my short game is continuing to get better (especially becuase I can hold my angles :p), but I really want to fix this! I know I can do it, I'm just not sure how!

Any help will be much appreciated (P.S. I've already watch CoFF multiple times....maybe I'll watch it again)!

Video of my lag problems:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYS-1jkzKNo[/media]


Thanks again everyone,
Golfman
 
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Kevin Shields

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Id like to see a full speed, but it looks like you dont turn your hips very much. You then over accelerate your upper body and the mini flip catches the clubhead up to it.
 
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golfman5900

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Hi Kevin,
Thanks for the reply.

Here are two vids of my swing at full speed, one face on and the other DTL taken from about a week ago.

DTL : [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qkKFRK1RYo[/media]

Face on : [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i2stEuegJE[/media]

Thanks for the help!
 
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Is it my pivot that is messing me up?
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I think so.


You may want to try mid body hands at address and experiment with a lagging clubhead takeaway. There is some great information about these two things in the forum. This should help with creating some pivot motion going back.

Matt
 
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golfman5900

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Thanks for the replies,
Just to make sure I understand correctly, I should start out with my hands in the middle of my body (i guess so the butt of the club points at my belt buckle) and then when I start back my hands should lead the clubhead (i.e. I start by lagging the clubhead backwards). At the same time, I should have more weight going back off my left foot (so to the inside portion of my right foot I guess) so I can improve my transition.
Sound good?

Thanks again,
Golfman
 
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lookingtolearn

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golfman5900 said:
Thanks for the replies,
Just to make sure I understand correctly, I should start out with my hands in the middle of my body (i guess so the butt of the club points at my belt buckle) and then when I start back my hands should lead the clubhead (i.e. I start by lagging the clubhead backwards). At the same time, I should have more weight going back off my left foot (so to the inside portion of my right foot I guess) so I can improve my transition.
Sound good?

Thanks again,
Golfman
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Yes, but make sure that it is your body that pulls on the club in the takeaway. Don't just pull back the handle with your hands.
 
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