Yoda/Holenone's Swing
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David Alford
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I went out and did an emulation of Yoda's swing using a rt. controlled pivot and downswing and the swings look virtually identical given our physical differences. There's little doubt in my mind that's what Yoda is ably demonstrating.
I agree looking at a tape or in person, very few golfers could tell the difference between hitting and swinging if they are being performed correctly. The main key would be the lower body, but even that can be somewhat misleading. Better to just ask!
I agree looking at a tape or in person, very few golfers could tell the difference between hitting and swinging if they are being performed correctly. The main key would be the lower body, but even that can be somewhat misleading. Better to just ask!
David Alford
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Wally wrote:
>I would be elated to see him performing both, hitting and swinging, in a video, side by side?
Good idea!
>I would be elated to see him performing both, hitting and swinging, in a video, side by side?
Good idea!
David Alford
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6bee,
I probably screwed up in TGM terminology...I readily confess to being uneducated how HK says things and probably would fail a TGM test miserably because I don't know the code words. However, I know the code...from my own studies, not HKs or anyone else's.
I simply meant, a right wrist/arm controlled takeaway and backswing. I take the club back with the right hand and wrist w/o fanning the clubface as some others have suggested, while retaining the bent right wrist. It's about as simple as it gets, and no complex ideas, thoughts, or analysis is needed if you know what to do.
This is why I'm amazed at the number of posts on this subject, when the TRUTH could be written in plain English very simply. I mean, it's mindboggling to me! There definately is a communication problem here.
That said, video really helps clarify, and Yoda's video shows he makes a nearly perfect takeaway/backswing for this particular model. He has little if anything left to improve here.
There are other ways to do right activated takeaways...even "fanning" if you dodge certain "tendencies"...
I probably screwed up in TGM terminology...I readily confess to being uneducated how HK says things and probably would fail a TGM test miserably because I don't know the code words. However, I know the code...from my own studies, not HKs or anyone else's.
I simply meant, a right wrist/arm controlled takeaway and backswing. I take the club back with the right hand and wrist w/o fanning the clubface as some others have suggested, while retaining the bent right wrist. It's about as simple as it gets, and no complex ideas, thoughts, or analysis is needed if you know what to do.
This is why I'm amazed at the number of posts on this subject, when the TRUTH could be written in plain English very simply. I mean, it's mindboggling to me! There definately is a communication problem here.
That said, video really helps clarify, and Yoda's video shows he makes a nearly perfect takeaway/backswing for this particular model. He has little if anything left to improve here.
There are other ways to do right activated takeaways...even "fanning" if you dodge certain "tendencies"...
The only "communication problem" is that there is no universal language outside of The Golfing Machine. In the book, X = X and Y = Y. Outside of the Machine, one person's "bend" is another person's "hinge". One person's "roll" is another's "turn." None of this is directed at you, I was just addressing the large consensus of people who think "this is too complicated", "he could've spoken English", etc.
David Alford
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Clearly written English is probably as close to a universal language as it gets. It can be unambiguous if terms such as "bend", etc. are defined.
Anyway, how does TGM define "pivot"?
Anyway, how does TGM define "pivot"?
Turfspanker
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How about...the motion the body makes to accomodate and support the hands and arms which are executing a straight plane line, flat left wrist, and lag pressure.
Turfspanker
Turfspanker
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By the way - the official definition is:
PIVOT Example - revolving door
Mechanical - That motion of a body moving around a center point.
Golf - A multiple universal-joint assembly between a Stationary Head and the Stationary Feet holding a Clubshaft "On Plane" by positioning and adjusting the Lever Assembly, through the #3 Accumulator, as directed by the Right Forearm.
To assist in the official definition, #3 Accumulator the angle established between the clubshaft and the left Forearm (See 6-B-3-0 for more info) and is clubface control via a flat left wrist, rhythm control (overtaking rate) and roll power control of the right elbow (paddlewheel action).
Turfspanker
But this is all complicated TGM speak...
PIVOT Example - revolving door
Mechanical - That motion of a body moving around a center point.
Golf - A multiple universal-joint assembly between a Stationary Head and the Stationary Feet holding a Clubshaft "On Plane" by positioning and adjusting the Lever Assembly, through the #3 Accumulator, as directed by the Right Forearm.
To assist in the official definition, #3 Accumulator the angle established between the clubshaft and the left Forearm (See 6-B-3-0 for more info) and is clubface control via a flat left wrist, rhythm control (overtaking rate) and roll power control of the right elbow (paddlewheel action).
Turfspanker
But this is all complicated TGM speak...
David Alford
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Thanks, I was using it as synonymous with the motion the body makes in the backswing (or the forward swing). That won't do?
FanofHogan
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Some of you are familiar with www.4gea.com but probably not all of you. Anyway, it's a site mainly for equipment talk but they do have a swing discussion area. TGM over the past month was getting some talk. There were probably more detractors than pro TGM people. Someone posted the video of Yodas swing and several of the detractors are no jumping on the bandwagon. Amazing.
Everyone over there is saying they can't believe how little shoulder turn he has, and how he doesn't take the club to parallel, but, still rips it. They are also amazed at the lag he retains. Goes to show you, you don't need a lot of rotation to swing a club well. In his swinging vs hitting video, he makes a point of the exagerrated shoulder turn, and spine tilt vs the "Correct" way. Pretty dramatic stuff!
FanofHogan
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Well, from what I have heard and seen on the internet in the past two plus years is how much of an uphill struggle it has been for TGM to gain some acceptance/credence. At least on that one website, all it took was two short video clips to get people to perk up. Maybe that should be a lesson to the people in charge at TGM? I know for me one of the biggest drawbacks to TGM is the complexity of the book. I understand fully why it has to be complex. The swing is a complex thing and to break it down into all the different parts and pieces takes a complex book. But a lot of people are just visual type people. A picture or video is worth a thousand words. Just the terminology was such a turnoff to the people on that website, then they see a short video clip and the response has been pretty dramatic.
Brian Manzella
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Ben Doyle looked at Lynn's swing and liked it VERY MUCH.
He also said very nice things about Lynn.
He also said very nice things about Lynn.
David Alford
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"You're not so tough! You're not so tough!" -- Rocky
David Alford
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umm, that was in regard to everyone one seeming to be intimitated by the golf swing...a good golf swing can be so simple...it's only the overall possibilities which are complex.
Yoda knows how simple his swing is. He knows, he knows...
Yoda knows how simple his swing is. He knows, he knows...
Jim Kobylinski
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Efficiency is the key....not effort.
short yet powerful, efficiency
short yet powerful, efficiency
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