Phil playing a fade.

[Chiefbullmarket]

After his round today (67), Phil said he hit more fairways because he played a fade with the driver and that playing a fade would be something he would look in to doing more of in the future. I always assumed a tour player with plenty of length played a draw because they couldn't play a fade. With Jack and Tiger playing a power fade to win most of their majors why wouldn't Phil or any other tour player play a fade if they could?

 

[lia41985]

Bubba plays one frequently from the tee as well.

 

[mgranato]

Nothing new for Phil. The fade is the left handers ticket at Augusta.

 

[Kevin Shields]

His swing screams fade anyway....steep to shallow

 

[Bigwill]

It seems like Phil is a guy who really likes to bomb it. With the success he had playing the fade primarily, the only thing I could think of is that he wasn't comfortable with the yardage he lost playing the fade over the draw, so he went back.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Didn't hear that quote but that is almost every fade players story:

They are a good fader
They want to draw it
They learn too
They never quite master it
They go back to the fade and wala...they score better.

I had a good quote a long time ago mainly someone can find it but it was something like, the draw is your mistress and the fade is the one you marry lol.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Didn't hear that quote but that is almost every fade players story:

They are a good fader
They want to draw it
They learn too
They never quite master it
They go back to the fade and wala...they score better.

I had a good quote a long time ago mainly someone can find it but it was something like, the draw is your mistress and the fade is the one you marry lol.

So you can do things with the draw that you can't do with the fade

 

[JonWil]

So you can do things with the draw that you can't do with the fade

No, you can do the same thing with a draw. Explaiining where you got the notion is the problem.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

So you can do things with the draw that you can't do with the fade

Yup, just never quite as often and always harder to make it work

 

[Kevin Shields]

Yup, just never quite as often and always harder to make it work

I only play the draw when I'm out of town.

 

[Damon Lucas]

Makes mincemeat of Trevino's quote - " You can talk to a fade, but a hook won't listen"

 

[DCgolf]

Ya dance with the lady who brung ya to the ball...go down the majors list and look at faders vs drawers. It's not even close

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Ya dance with the lady who brung ya to the ball...go down the majors list and look at faders vs drawers. It's not even close

Funny you mention that, i remember the Masters with the 3 player playoff of Cabrera Kenny Perry and Chad Campbell. My fiance asked me who i thought was going to win...i told her Cabrera most likely because he hit the fade.

 

[DCgolf]

last hole, straightaway, must make 4. Whatever shot comes out, that's your shot.

 

[Kevin Shields]

last hole, straightaway, must make 4. Whatever shot comes out, that's your shot.

So you're really in trouble if you heel push cut it

 

[Svenster]

Hoo boy, now I'm confused.

If I want to 'ashcan' hitting draws with driver or 3 wood off the tee, or straight shots via 'baby draw' by aiming right and swinging righter, what would be the rules of thumb to hit fades off the tee and how does D-plane fit into the picture?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Hoo boy, now I'm confused.

If I want to 'ashcan' hitting draws with driver or 3 wood off the tee, or straight shots via 'baby draw' by aiming right and swinging righter, what would be the rules of thumb to hit fades off the tee and how does D-plane fit into the picture?

To make it simple, think driver

You have to do the exact opposite in your setup that you do to draw it.

Aim way left (more than you think)
Swing way left (more than you think)

Why?

So when the club is coming "up" the face is still open to the path you swung on, thus you just produced a "hit up" fade.

 

[bgoodyear]

To fade the driver I usually just add more axis tilt to get more up

 

[Svenster]

Thanks Jim, much appreciated.

 

[DCgolf]

Draw: Max turn away, minimum turn thru
fade: Max turn thru, minimum turn away.