Hogan's Quote about Snapping the Kinetic Chain?

[thefuture37]

Everyone has heard the quote out of 5 lessons "the hips cannot turn too fast". This quote is often regarded as one of the "mistakes" in the book. But what about if it is thought of in terms of the kinetic chain? If there is no snapping, then the hips indeed CAN turn too fast. If the hips never slow down, then if they turn too fast it will throw the arms over the top of the plane. But, if there is a certain spot where the hips "stop" at impact(obviously they do not stop completely, just slow down to this point), then the faster you get your hips to this spot, the better. The aforementioned problems do not occur, because the hips slow down to allow the arms to catch up through impact. By this reasoning, Hogan's quote is often discarded because it is interpreted as "the hips cannot turn too fast TOO FAR". As long as the hips "stop" in their impact position, they can't get there too quickly, and the kinetic chain will be sufficiently snapped.

Thoughts?

 

[jenhaoyen]

Everyone has heard the quote out of 5 lessons "the hips cannot turn too fast". This quote is often regarded as one of the "mistakes" in the book. But what about if it is thought of in terms of the kinetic chain? If there is no snapping, then the hips indeed CAN turn too fast. If the hips never slow down, then if they turn too fast it will throw the arms over the top of the plane. But, if there is a certain spot where the hips "stop" at impact(obviously they do not stop completely, just slow down to this point), then the faster you get your hips to this spot, the better. The aforementioned problems do not occur, because the hips slow down to allow the arms to catch up through impact. By this reasoning, Hogan's quote is often discarded because it is interpreted as "the hips cannot turn too fast TOO FAR". As long as the hips "stop" in their impact position, they can't get there too quickly, and the kinetic chain will be sufficiently snapped.

Thoughts?

YOu can turnnnnnnn as fast as you want, just as long as you hit it on your firm side. Never pass the inside of your left foot.

 

[benhogan55]

In experimenting with the SD pattern it has become quite clear to me that IMO,
the counterfall is the key to the entire swing. If the counterfall is performed properly (when and how much) the hips take care of themselves. This move is absolutely the key for me to hit solid shots. When the counterfall is late or non-existent, for me, solid shots are pure luck. I wish Brian would come up with some drills that would focus on this key component.

 

[jjmule]

Exactly my case...

In experimenting with the SD pattern it has become quite clear to me that IMO,
the counterfall is the key to the entire swing. If the counterfall is performed properly (when and how much) the hips take care of themselves. This move is absolutely the key for me to hit solid shots. When the counterfall is late or non-existent, for me, solid shots are pure luck. I wish Brian would come up with some drills that would focus on this key component.

After taking a lesson I too was struggling with the SD until I started focusing more on the counterfall motion. I get the feel of it by constantly using the back-and-forth swinging motion BM recommends - I just "stop" the swinging motion at the point of the counterfall to capture the feel of it. Like yourself, if I can't feel the counterfall or "lean" (as I call it) - I do not hit it well. I also ingrain the feel of it by using the back-and-forth swinging motion while hitting short shots with a 6-iron. I hit lots of these types of shots in practice. It works for me anyway. I'm beginning to see this "lean" or counterfall in the swings of Major League baseball batters as well.

 

[thefuture37]

do you two feel like you can be aggressive as you want with your lower body motion during the downswing?

 

[flopshot59]

just the thought of stepping with my left foot helps me with the counter fall.

 

[curtisj76]

YES YES YES! The counterfall is HUGE (at least for me).

 

[puttmad]

do you two feel like you can be aggressive as you want with your lower body motion during the downswing?

future,
you can be agressive as you want, as long as you keep everything else in sequence, or put another way, as long as you allow everything else to keep up........#
Think of the long drivers...they do more or less the same as everyone else, but they just do it all faster....

 

[benhogan55]

do you two feel like you can be aggressive as you want with your lower body motion during the downswing?

If the sequence of the counterfall is right then yes...I can really unleash the left side and work to get it out of the way. I have to be very careful not to let the right side totally dominate the START of the downswing. Without the counterfall my hands move forward and I have to hang on to the release to get it somewhere on the planet.

 

[thefuture37]

Think of the long drivers...they do more or less the same as everyone else, but they just do it all faster....

i disagree. long drivers tee the ball up so high that they are making a tee ball swing. they can afford to hang back a little because they don't have to take a divot. those swings won't work off the deck.

hogan's swing was so good because he built it around the idea that he could go at the ball as hard as he wanted with his whole body. as much as i like tiger, this is something he cant do yet.