Elbow Plane - Soft Draw Pattern
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You mean "flexed" and "extended" ...???
No, I thought the original cp/ep was supposed to mean hands close the body(adducted) during the impact zone and hands away from the body(abducted). If you are referencing the position of the shoulder joint, then it would be the degrees of flexion. It is better to be more descriptive, than less descriptive to reduce misunderstanding.
I think Steve T answered it, when he said he wasn't infallible.
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SteveT
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You may be correct .. if only I knew what you were talking about ....
I just swing and hit ... opps, I mean "create a D-plane projection" ...
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SteveT
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Lessons are good ... but if you want to get full value for your money, you should book at least 10 lessons over 10 weeks ... because one lesson is somewhat superficial and limited. I mean, how much can you learn and retain after only one lesson ... not much I'd wager ....
My science is Newtonian Physics, and if you have a problem with that, go back to high school and college.
There is no "kinetic movement/motion" ... but there is "kinematic movement/motion" .... so you are wrong again ...
You want two better words??? .... try 'flinging' and 'slinging' or 'swinging' and 'hitting' ... and then I won't be able to criticize such vernacular ...
Btw ... there is no 'flexibility' in scientific terminology ... if you are not correct, you are ignorant .. and if you refuse to learn, you descend into stupidity ...
How does "science" prove that words are inflexible? From where does "science" create words? You presuppose that science is everything and yet you fail to apply it to your own arguments when attacking others. You're dealing with philosophical, theological and teleogical issues in your positions without even knowing such issues exist. Science is very useful and I wouldn't want to live in a world without it, but it doesn't create and/or define words. I hope you try to learn from the errors in your posts.
Lessons are good ... but if you want to get full value for your money, you should book at least 10 lessons over 10 weeks ... because one lesson is somewhat superficial and limited. I mean, how much can you learn and retain after only one lesson ... not much I'd wager ....
One two hour lesson is plenty. Maybe your position applies to someone who doesn't know how to play.
chipingguru
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I think you can draw the ball well coming in on the TSP or the elbow plane. Just a personal preference as to which one to use and I suppose your left wrist action and corresponding clubface motion. Ive always felt a little weirded out on the elbow plane except maybe on a short shot or punching out of trouble.
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SteveT
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Human motor control and learning theory tells us that the mind and body can only absorb about 15 minutes of new action ... unless your two hour lesson consists of 15 minutes of instruction and 105 minutes of hitting range balls.
I hope Project 1.68 delves into learning theory beside the physics of the golfswing.
Me too. I can't contort my body while bent over. My hands have more feeling than my body. I never had a good pivot driven baseball swing either. I can chop wood all day long (figuratively speaking).
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SteveT
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Here's the problem with "hand feel" in the golfswing ... it's NOT REAL ...!!!!
To 'feel' anything in your hands it takes 10 milliseconds for the message to get to the brain ... and if you try to consciously guide your hands it takes the brain at least 200 milliseconds (1/5th of a second) before the brain can send a message to your hands to modify the swing.
So by the time you feel anything, it's already happened ... and if you try to consciously do something tricky it's likely too late ... but don't stop trying ...
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SteveT
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FYI .....
SteveT, your point would be valid if someone says that they made a mid-swing correction due to feedback from their hands. Like Tiger used say that he "saved it" when he detected being stuck.
I am no fan of a hands controlled pivot style however there is real value in observing and creating certain hand actions. Like Brian's twistaway, wedding ring up, lay it on the movie screen.
I am no fan of a hands controlled pivot style however there is real value in observing and creating certain hand actions. Like Brian's twistaway, wedding ring up, lay it on the movie screen.
Jim Kobylinski
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His subconscious and brain saved it, i have no actual science (flame suit on) BUT it is my belief that your brain does what it can to change to swing to get the actual result you want to the best of it's ability with absolutely no input from you.
For instance, no one with an OTT move and any type of trigger delay would hit the ball. You'd LITERALLY miss it, however (with no input from you) somehow you end up releasing early and still hit the ball. What do you think does that? You think in a 1.3 second swing you can deduce what you are doing and correct it? No, but your brain knows.
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Tiger "loses it" more often than he can save it because he's just taking a blind guess when he senses something is going wrong at the start of his golfswing. By the time he gets to shaft vertical in the downswing, it becomes ballistic and freewheeling .. and if you try to modify your actions with corrections, you are just taking a guess .. Tiger too.
Sure ... manipulate your forearms to create certain hand actions ... but understand it's NOT the "hands" because the hands are just along for the ride ...!!!!!
Why am I the only one who clearly understands all this stuff ...!!!!
I SURE HOPE THAT BRIAN'S ASSOCIATES ARE WRITING ALL THIS STUFF DOWN SO THEY AN DISCUSS IT AT THEIR SECRET PROJECT 1.68 MEETING WITH THEIR PHYSICIST FRIENDS ..!!!!
Tiger "loses it" more often than he can save it because he's just taking a blind guess when he senses something is going wrong at the start of his golfswing. By the time he gets to shaft vertical in the downswing, it becomes ballistic and freewheeling .. and if you try to modify your actions with corrections, you are just taking a guess .. Tiger too.
Sure ... manipulate your forearms to create certain hand actions ... but understand it's NOT the "hands" because the hands are just along for the ride ...!!!!!
Why am I the only one who clearly understands all this stuff ...!!!!
I SURE HOPE THAT BRIAN'S ASSOCIATES ARE WRITING ALL THIS STUFF DOWN SO THEY AN DISCUSS IT AT THEIR SECRET PROJECT 1.68 MEETING WITH THEIR PHYSICIST FRIENDS ..!!!!
WHY ME?
WHY? WHY? WHY ME? WHY only ME?hilarious...lol.Horton hears a WHY!.... lol Your too much Horton.
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Tiger "loses it" more often than he can save it because he's just taking a blind guess when he senses something is going wrong at the start of his golfswing. By the time he gets to shaft vertical in the downswing, it becomes ballistic and freewheeling .. and if you try to modify your actions with corrections, you are just taking a guess .. Tiger too.
Sure ... manipulate your forearms to create certain hand actions ... but understand it's NOT the "hands" because the hands are just along for the ride ...!!!!!
Why am I the only one who clearly understands all this stuff ...!!!!
I SURE HOPE THAT BRIAN'S ASSOCIATES ARE WRITING ALL THIS STUFF DOWN SO THEY AN DISCUSS IT AT THEIR SECRET PROJECT 1.68 MEETING WITH THEIR PHYSICIST FRIENDS ..!!!!
This makes sense about the hands/forearms. The hands wrists can't just be held limp. But maybe static in one position which allows the forearms to square up the club face; or should they be limp and act as a flail?
Please enlighten us on the correct use of the hands, so we can compare your understanding to Brian's findings when it comes out, since you are the only one that is in the know on the forum.
Burner
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Duh
'Cos you're the only one thats writing it!
Why am I the only one who clearly understands all this stuff ...!!!!
'Cos you're the only one thats writing it!
softconsult
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"His subconscious and brain saved it, i have no actual science (flame suit on) BUT it is my belief that your brain does what it can to change to swing to get the actual result you want to the best of it's ability with absolutely no input from you."
I absolutely know this is true for me. I mean I'm not exactly a model of consistency, but somehow I make corrections during the swing to save the shot. People have told me I have good hand eye coordination, but in golf it's really not the hands. I think the picture the shot and do it thing just has to occur because of what Jim is talking about.
I absolutely know this is true for me. I mean I'm not exactly a model of consistency, but somehow I make corrections during the swing to save the shot. People have told me I have good hand eye coordination, but in golf it's really not the hands. I think the picture the shot and do it thing just has to occur because of what Jim is talking about.
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