reactions and verdicts on the new release so far

[gailfcno]

hello

just wondering how people are getting on with the new release. and what swing thoughts are working best for them with the new release. i am having fantastic results i have always liked to release the driver and woods. but i was a dragger with the irons this didnt come from instruction but a reaction to starting with shafts that were much too soft. hitting down and dragging helped me keep the ball down in windy ireland. the long irons i had where from another set and had stiff shafts so these i would just release aswell. i quit golf and came back to it 2 yrs ago thats when i started looking up the golf swing on the internet and came to the conclusion that the correct way to hit an iron shot was dragging the handle, no prob with the short and mid irons as this is what i always did. but i ended up with the yips with my long irons, i was fighting my natural tendecy to release them with the big drag on the handle, starting thinning them and hitting them fat and ended up being a nervous wreck everytime i stood over a long iron. contempleted getting hybrids and also quitting the game, i could not understand why something that used to be so easy was now so hard, im a stickler for doing things right and i really wanted to master what i thought then was the only way to swing. long story short brian started the release thread and i went back to releasing those long irons and back to being very happy with my game. the swing thought that work best for me is scraping the ground with a forward leaning hosel, and some jump. this simple tip helps me tie everything together it gets the hands into a position where they should be and then i can feel a continous release from the top. i also like the feel im standing in water that comes just below my waist i like to fell my hands enter the water at their low point and then i yank them up and out of the water through impact seems to work pretty well as a visual for me. so a big thank you to brian and mj for releasing this great info.

 

[Martee]

For me, well having attempted some of the concepts presented, reading and re-reading way too much (information/opinion overload), I went back to the basic of the concepts, primarily the BM posts that provide a laundry list of what we know, etc.

Haven’t been able to say one way or the other that I am a handle dragger or not. The ‘Up and In’, if the results are brushes to scrapes to paper thin divots, then that has been my normal. There is an apparent forward and downward motion/alignment of the club into impact, I use the clip-the-tee drill in practice and the results indicate such. Forward lean is minimal, never could in a normal swing speed do what others have advocated without locking the right wrist and to me that always seemed wrong.

Brian’s live vid the other night seemed to clear up to me the tug vs the toss. The out and away from the top seems natural to me so I am still wondering if I am goofed up. I do which is probably wrong have the hips initially carry the shoulder package at the start (aka Hogan) but the hands are moving out and away.

Don’t have local access to the technology so I am unable to see some objective data points regarding the club head and ball.

Going ‘normal’ at impact, well I am not sure how I am going to validate. Post impact I know that I don’t have the bent right wrist (well maybe a tad) and at the end it is bent.

Need to still digest more and see what I am really doing vs what changes need to be applied.

My main concern is the Kinetic Chain when adopting some of these changes. I assume the chain with the new science is still intact and correct, but I don’t think I have managed to wrap my head around the total solution.

 

[bgoodyear]

The simple thought of sending the shaft wide and backwards and starting to release in that direction has added considerable length and consistency. I think this is great stuff.

 

[ZAP]

It is kind of funny but since I am pivoting less vigorously everyone I play with regularly has commented about how much easier I am swinging. That it looks more in control. My distances with irons have gone up. Sometimes I find myself with a certain club in my hands and the alarm goes off in my head that if I don't get the release right it is going to be WAY short. Still a work in progress. I cannot wait to see what a winter of work will do.

 

[OLIVER1]

Talk about tantalising...This release stuff has got me fired up like crazy...Only I can't get the last bit sorted. I feel great from the top of the swing, halfway down even better and coming into impact I feel God-like, then a strange thing happens. I feel I crash into my left side, my right side goes down, the left rides straight up into the sky, the hands open and I hit a vile top-spin push cut miles right. I can actually feel my hands opening in that split second before impact no matter what I do. Sometimes I feel my hands open, my right hand wraps around the left to compensate and I hit a low pull. .
I experimented with keeping my weight completely on my rear foot throughout the downswing and my left side can clear easier, but God this is pissing me off.
I feel like a blind man in the front row of the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show...I can hear and feel it's great, everyone else around me is whooping it up but I'm left with only the imagination of what could be...BooHoo.

 

[finncox]

I feel like a blind man in the front row of the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show...I can hear and feel it's great, everyone else around me is whooping it up but I'm left with only the imagination of what could be...BooHoo.

While I wish I had something more constructive to offer, I just wanted to tell you that I enjoyed this quote.

 

[jenhaoyen]

it's the bomb

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Talk about tantalising...This release stuff has got me fired up like crazy...Only I can't get the last bit sorted. I feel great from the top of the swing, halfway down even better and coming into impact I feel God-like, then a strange thing happens. I feel I crash into my left side, my right side goes down, the left rides straight up into the sky, the hands open and I hit a vile top-spin push cut miles right. I can actually feel my hands opening in that split second before impact no matter what I do. Sometimes I feel my hands open, my right hand wraps around the left to compensate and I hit a low pull. .
I experimented with keeping my weight completely on my rear foot throughout the downswing and my left side can clear easier, but God this is pissing me off.
I feel like a blind man in the front row of the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show...I can hear and feel it's great, everyone else around me is whooping it up but I'm left with only the imagination of what could be...BooHoo.

Sounds like you are opening the clubface too much either in the backswing or somewhere in transition. I get the above feeling when i save an "almost shank." Try a little twistaway.

 

[leon]

Make sure you have the grip correct. I had a lot of fun today just working on having enough downcock (ulnar deviation) at both address and impact. I don't understand why yet but it seems to work wonders, at least for me.

 

[SteveT]

@OLIVER1 ... are your consciously trying to "go normal" into final release and impact, or are you just giving up as you freewheel into impact?

Are you trying to instantaneously apply the new release into your swing and unable to figure out what to do at the bottom of your swing, causing you to crash?

How do you think you can apply the new release actions now that you have problems? Just asking ....

 

[BrendanC]

New info has been awesome. Came off a break and it has swing humming.

Going normal / left shoulder has improved power, and path. Killed some old habits - flat swing inside out stuff.

Finally get how players (Nicklaus) can talk about a left sided swing.

 

[gailfcno]

Talk about tantalising...This release stuff has got me fired up like crazy...Only I can't get the last bit sorted. I feel great from the top of the swing, halfway down even better and coming into impact I feel God-like, then a strange thing happens. I feel I crash into my left side, my right side goes down, the left rides straight up into the sky, the hands open and I hit a vile top-spin push cut miles right. I can actually feel my hands opening in that split second before impact no matter what I do. Sometimes I feel my hands open, my right hand wraps around the left to compensate and I hit a low pull. .
I experimented with keeping my weight completely on my rear foot throughout the downswing and my left side can clear easier, but God this is pissing me off.
I feel like a blind man in the front row of the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show...I can hear and feel it's great, everyone else around me is whooping it up but I'm left with only the imagination of what could be...BooHoo.

hi oliver sounds like you might have the hands going towards the ball at impact and standing that shaft up a bit, very hard to release if this is what you are doing. try aiming the release a little more leftward through impact.

 

[ZAP]

I will say that the hardest part for me is also trusting that the speed will be there without the aggressive pivot.

 

[JEREMY5577]

The best thing about this swing is finally having clubhead awareness. Going normal makes it much easier to control the clubface at and post impact. The next best thing is balance always seem in control. Love it!

 

[OLIVER1]

@OLIVER1 ... are your consciously trying to "go normal" into final release and impact, or are you just giving up as you freewheel into impact?

Are you trying to instantaneously apply the new release into your swing and unable to figure out what to do at the bottom of your swing, causing you to crash?

How do you think you can apply the new release actions now that you have problems? Just asking ....

SteveT - Yes, there's certainly a conscious element to it, no doubt. I feel I have figured out what to do at the bottom of the swing but something blocks it, and I don't know what. As to the last part, I don't think I want my cart ahead of the horse...I want to sweep away the problem, exterminate it, eviscerate it; in fact, consign it to oblivion, and then I feel the release will be just the very tonic...
Thanks for the questions Steve...

 

[OLIVER1]

hi oliver sounds like you might have the hands going towards the ball at impact and standing that shaft up a bit, very hard to release if this is what you are doing. try aiming the release a little more leftward through impact.

Hey gailfcno. Thanks for the help. Looking at myself on video I don't think that is the problem. My hands seem like they go lots of left, but the club - and this is the odd thing - seems to want to go right. I desperately want to see Brian but until he graces New Jersey with a visit - and it would be fun to see Brian make a guest appearance on Jersey Shore!! - I think I'm gonna be a basketcase for the forseeable...

 

[Matt Bryda]

Post your swing up Oliver.

 

[SteveT]

SteveT - Yes, there's certainly a conscious element to it, no doubt. I feel I have figured out what to do at the bottom of the swing but something blocks it, and I don't know what. As to the last part, I don't think I want my cart ahead of the horse...I want to sweep away the problem, exterminate it, eviscerate it; in fact, consign it to oblivion, and then I feel the release will be just the very tonic...
Thanks for the questions Steve...

Perhaps what is blocking you are your old neuro-muscular patterns fighting with your conscious new release patterns and causing an impasse! What you may be experiencing is an understandable and quite normal situation when attempting new motor patterns. You just can't consciously override what is heavily ingrained in your mind and body and expect miracles. Those who claim instant success are exceptional athletes.

Changing high speed arm actions and realigning body movement orientation is problematic. It requires a lot of intense practice to make anything new permanent... together with qualified instruction.

 

[OLIVER1]

Perhaps what is blocking you are your old neuro-muscular patterns fighting with your conscious new release patterns and causing an impasse! What you may be experiencing is an understandable and quite normal situation when attempting new motor patterns. You just can't consciously override what is heavily ingrained in your mind and body and expect miracles. Those who claim instant success are exceptional athletes.

Changing high speed arm actions and realigning body movement orientation is problematic. It requires a lot of intense practice to make anything new permanent... together with qualified instruction.

Oh, I couldn't agree more Steve. It's just that I think I'm so close that I just need a tiny nudgeroo, not a radical overhaul of my neuro-muscular pathways. Maybe I'm just so beguiled that I'm behaving like a nitwit...

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

@Jim. Jim, I must admit I've tried that and then my subconscious just tells me I'm too shut coming down and the face flops open again at impact.

I know that feeling too, however if you make yourself do it (if too open is the issue) you won't hook it and it will make you realize how much of an open clubfac you really have.