reactions and verdicts on the new release so far

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OLIVER1 said:
Hey gailfcno. Thanks for the help. Looking at myself on video I don't think that is the problem. My hands seem like they go lots of left, but the club - and this is the odd thing - seems to want to go right. I desperately want to see Brian but until he graces New Jersey with a visit - and it would be fun to see Brian make a guest appearance on Jersey Shore!! - I think I'm gonna be a basketcase for the forseeable...
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Maybe you are going too far left. With a shallow AoA, less is more.

Have you tried Brian's drill from the release video of hitting chips and trying to get your left wrist in the correct alignment, with the face sitting on the plane at halfway through?
 
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Nice swing and I agree you're close. I will defer to the experts, but a couple things I see: Have you tried getting your back more to the target in the backswing? and it looks like you may still tug some on the arms in the transition.
 
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Kevin Shields said:
Lots of arm swing and club travel and minimum turn going back. Sets up for possible trouble in the change of direction.
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Kevin
From the dtl and face on view I thought that my upper body had turned enough given how far my left shoulder has turned at the top, even if the lower body is sluggish. And how would the overtravelling club cause problems at transition? Thanks Kevin
 
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hello oliver jim mentioned earlier that it could be as simple as an open face issue. your face on the downswing is wide open. as jim was saying just use some twist away and trust it. you can see in your follow through there is a save move going on with the hands, but it is too late at this stage as the ball has gone. just trust the twist away you might feel it will go way left but just go with it and see what happens, even if it does go left just vary the amount of twistaway until you get the right amount for you.
 
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gailfcno said:
hello oliver jim mentioned earlier that it could be as simple as an open face issue. your face on the downswing is wide open. as jim was saying just use some twist away and trust it. you can see in your follow through there is a save move going on with the hands, but it is too late at this stage as the ball has gone. just trust the twist away you might feel it will go way left but just go with it and see what happens, even if it does go left just vary the amount of twistaway until you get the right amount for you.
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Thanks for that gailfcno. Right now I'm scared that if I feel my clubface shut - even if it really isn't, - I'm liable to completely lose any chance whatsoever of getting the clubhead releasing and moving. I didn't realize I was that open, but I shall give the twistaway a try.
Thanks for your comments...
 
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OLIVER1 said:
Thanks for that gailfcno. Right now I'm scared that if I feel my clubface shut - even if it really isn't, - I'm liable to completely lose any chance whatsoever of getting the clubhead releasing and moving. I didn't realize I was that open, but I shall give the twistaway a try.
Thanks for your comments...
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hello oliver yeah i undersatand that feeling. a simple feel like the back of the left hand facing the ground before impact or the palm of the right hand facing towards the ground while still freewheeling the club through impact might help. if you hit left with that feeling just vary how much the back of the left hand or palm of right faces towards the ground. important thing is to keep releasing while doing this and the feeling of back of left hand down or palm of right down should be before impact. try it on the range first oliver as you will be more relaxed there and dont try and protect against hitting it left. have the intention of hitting it left when you are over the ball, more than likely you will hit it pretty straight or still a little right, if it does go left just vary the amount of twist away.
 
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OLIVER1 said:
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From the dtl and face on view I thought that my upper body had turned enough given how far my left shoulder has turned at the top, even if the lower body is sluggish. And how would the overtravelling club cause problems at transition? Thanks Kevin
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Well, the lower body being sluggish could aid in the arms swinging too much and creating a "false" shoulder turn. Tough not to tug out of the transition. The sloppy right knee action post impact is indicative of these mistakes IMO
 
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Kevin Shields said:
Well, the lower body being sluggish could aid in the arms swinging too much and creating a "false" shoulder turn. Tough not to tug out of the transition. The sloppy right knee action post impact is indicative of these mistakes IMO
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Sorry for monopolising your time, Kevin, but if you could just indulge me a last question...How is the right knee action indicative of the faults you pointed out, and also do you see the right arm/elbow/hand dropping too much staright down from the top?
I'm desperate to get myself into some sort of viable position to give the new release an effective try.
Thanks once again and sorry
 
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Boy, I wish I could be there for two minutes to show you. Sometimes I'm bad with words. When the upper body tugs out of a poor transition, you get the right side under late (good player mistake) and the right knee shoots forward like yours. Nothing to try to fix. It's just one of those indicators I'll use take make a proper diagnosis. A player always will exhibit a few noticeable features that accompany some flaws.
 
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Kevin Shields said:
Boy, I wish I could be there for two minutes to show you. Sometimes I'm bad with words. When the upper body tugs out of a poor transition, you get the right side under late (good player mistake) and the right knee shoots forward like yours. Nothing to try to fix. It's just one of those indicators I'll use take make a proper diagnosis. A player always will exhibit a few noticeable features that accompany some flaws.
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Oh gosh, So I come over a little bit and then try and rescue it with a late right side under move? I'm getting a little confused and I know it's my inability to conceptualize this. I can only apologize again Kevin, but could I sneak a cheeky one under the radar and ask you if you think the transition drops the club too low to my shoulders?
 
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I don't know if I'd go as far as to say you come over it and I'm not 100% sure what you mean by dropping too low to your shoulders. What do you think about your overall swing pace? Not leading you, but what would think of adding a half a count to your swing? Is that something you ever noticed?
 
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Kevin Shields said:
I don't know if I'd go as far as to say you come over it and I'm not 100% sure what you mean by dropping too low to your shoulders. What do you think about your overall swing pace? Not leading you, but what would think of adding a half a count to your swing? Is that something you ever noticed?
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I must admit I feel as if I go at it too fast when I see it on video, but to me it feels rather slow, believe it or not.
In transition, I seem to see my right arm and elbow drop straight down with the consequential fall of the club almost onto my shoulders...Would that add problems to correctly transitioning and releasing?
BTW Kevin, where are you based...Anywhere near NJ?
 
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