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Marcus0418

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Where I live there isn't a flightscope or trackman at my disposal, so a Swingbyte is the next best thing I can get my hands on. Granted, I know it will never be as accurate but it gives a decent idea.

I compiled an average of impact numbers from five random swings with a 7 iron and a driver. Please take a look and tell me what can be discerned from them and where and how I can improve.

7 Iron
Speed: 87.2
Face to Path: 1.3 Open
Club Path: 11.4 In-out
Lie Angle: 2.26 Added
Club Loft: 23.8
Angle of Attack: 11 Down
Shaft Lean: 16.4 Forward

Driver:
Speed: 112.2
Face to Path: .6 Open
Club to Path: 18.44 In-Out
Lie Angle: 3.58 Added
Club Loft: 6.84
Angle of Attack: 1.5 Down
Shaft Lean: 15.34 Forward

I did omit the face to address numbers because I feel they are a bit suspect. Plus, swingbyte likes to call a lot of my shots fades when they are actually dead straight, and a baby draw a straight shot, so I take that aspect with a grain of salt, but I do feel the numbers I used here are fairly accurate.
 
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Teris10

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From all I've read, it appears the AoA numbers are far from accurate. I doubt you're hitting that much down with a 7 iron.
 
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ParHunter

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The club path doesn't look right. 18.44 degrees in to out with the driver or 11.4 with your irons? With these numbers you should normally hook your shots like mad! But looking at the face to path numbers of your shot with your 7 iron, the clubface is actually open to the path. You would have had a push slice.

I think the path figures are relative to whatever but not the target line!
 
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Marcus0418

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Par: I think it takes a base-line reading from address and uses that to establish everything else. I tend to setup with the face maybe slightly closed at times, so it may be picking up on that. I dont know how comparable it actually is to trackman as far as how it reads club path. I just know that most of those swings I used to make the average that Swingbyte displayed as being fades or slices, but it reality they were either dead straight or just a slight draw. The device does slip on the club shaft fairly often and getting it lined up squarely to the club face is basically a guessing game, so I suspect this skews the numbers a bit.

Wulsy: Yeah, I kinda gouge it, I'm definitely a digger but I feel like I can flight the ball better to the shots I want to hit by hitting down on it like I do. I'm currently a 1.2, but always looking to improve so I can shoot in the 60s on a consistent basis and if hitting down on it like I do now isnt going to get it done, then I wont fight a change.

Brian: Really looking forward to your analysis of this device!
 
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ParHunter

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Marcus0418 said:
Par: I think it takes a base-line reading from address and uses that to establish everything else. I tend to setup with the face maybe slightly closed at times, so it may be picking up on that. I dont know how comparable it actually is to trackman as far as how it reads club path. I just know that most of those swings I used to make the average that Swingbyte displayed as being fades or slices, but it reality they were either dead straight or just a slight draw. The device does slip on the club shaft fairly often and getting it lined up squarely to the club face is basically a guessing game, so I suspect this skews the numbers a bit.

Wulsy: Yeah, I kinda gouge it, I'm definitely a digger but I feel like I can flight the ball better to the shots I want to hit by hitting down on it like I do. I'm currently a 1.2, but always looking to improve so I can shoot in the 60s on a consiostent basis and if hitting down on it like I do now isnt going to get it done, then I wont fight a change.

Brian: Really looking forward to your analysis of this device!
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Marcus, they have solved the problem of slippage I believe.
Swingbyte, Swingbyte adhesive mounting tabs now available!. You should contact them.
 
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ParHunter

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Brian Manzella said:
I am testing one this week and will report back.
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Have you managed to do some testing Brian? I know it will never be as good as Trackman and the alignment will always be problematic (I think if you do a waggle the device will be very confused as to where the target line is) but does the SwingByte still offer good data?

I think just seeing how far back my club goes on the backswing can help. Do you get to see a 'speed' profile of the clubhead? E.g. can you see whether it reaches its maximum around impact, before or after? That could be very useful as well I guess.
 
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lahinch69

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While I wait for Brian's summary of the Swingbyte unit I was wondering if anyone else in the forum can provide some input?
 
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ParHunter

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lahinch69 said:
While I wait for Brian's summary of the Swingbyte unit I was wondering if anyone else in the forum can provide some input?
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I managed to get hold of one here in the UK (which wasn't that easy). So far I was only able to do a few test swings. I think I must have made an error with the calibration or alignment. I got told that my shaft lean was 14 degrees forward at address and 23 degree forward at impact, my swing path was well from the inside with 25 deg in-out. These numbers don't seem right, I guess if the device isn't calibrated correctly it could come up with all kinds of numbers.

I will run some tests, first calibrating it again then doing slow swings with the club being vertical at address (no forward press which I don't think I do). If it still reports forward lean at address then I know there is something wrong and all other numbers after that won't be that accurate.

Will do some tests with SwingByte and the flightscope when I next get on it in a weeks time.
 
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ParHunter

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I really wanted the SwingByte to be good but so far after a few sessions on the range I am rather disappointed.

It seems that if you don't align it perfectly the numbers can be off. The thing is, when is it perfectly aligned? It seems I haven't managed to align it perfectly yet as the numbers just don't seem to make any sense!

Just have a look at this swing with the driver https://my.swingbyte.com/e/6ead5080i
That would have been a massive push slice yet the actual shot was straight (I had others with similar numbers that I actually drawed/hooked). Then compare the numbers in the legend of the 3d graph for face to path to the summary.

I think the club head speed is about 4 to 5 mph slower then what I normally have on the flightscope but at least if I swing faster the number goes up and if I swing slower the number goes down.

At the moment I don't know what number I can trust.
On Friday I have a lesson on the flightscope. I will record all the swings on the SwingByte as well. Then I have something to compare to. Maybe all figures are just off by a bit but internally consistent.
 
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mjh116

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On mygolfspy.com they tested this device and compared it to some others similar devices. This item, swing byte, got an F due to not even being close to trackman/flightscope numbers. It also seems to not stay attached very well. Have to adjust it every swing. The other 2 similar devices seemed to be pretty decent depending on what exactly you want out of it. Check it out. MGS generally does a good job reviewing items and giving some good advice.
 
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ParHunter

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Thanks for the link to the review. I wonder whether they can fix the problems they are having over time. I've got the new adhesive tabs so the device isn't moving anymore but I have no idea how to align the device with a driver!
 
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ParHunter

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Okay I had a session today with my instructor on the flightscope. The numbers my SwingByte is throwing out for club path, face etc are not even close. But!!! It could well be that I've got a dodgy device. They are sending me a replacement. It seems that the sensors are somehow misaligned. When you look at your swing in 3D it looks like it just needs a rotation anti-clockwise by about 20 to 30 degree and it would be fine.

But even with the numbers way off the SwingByte still gives a lot of useful information when you look at your swing (or what your club does) in 3D. You can see whether you've got any loops in your swing (I have)
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The picture above shows my 're-routing' at the top, might be something I need to work on (?)

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This feature is very nice as well. You can see for each point in time of your swing the speed or acceleration. The picture above shows that my acceleration peaks fairly early (probably not good, lost some power recently, where should the acceleration peak?)

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With the overhead view you can see lasers 'shooting out of the club from the face and the handle'. These are the red lines, again showing nicely my re routing.

Other nice features are that you can rotate the 3D view to what ever position you want. You could have your face on view but with the observer 3 yard tall, view it from 'up the target line' etc.
I will use it as well to work on the length of my wedge shots (1/2 3/4 etc) as it shows you nicely where your club is at the top of the swing.

The mph for club head wasn't that far off either and it seems to be consistent.

So even though the numbers are off (which might well be due to a dodgy device) the SwingByte still offers a lot of useful information. The great thing is you can share swings with your instructor. He can watch the swings online.

I've suggested to them that they should draw the hand path (coupling point) as well. I think that could be quite useful.

Btw the Support from SwingByte is top notch! They looked at my swing data and then told me that they will send me a replacement device.

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mjh116

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Golf Sense, Swing Byte and Swing Smart - REVIEW
I'm trying to learn how to put pics on here to show some comparisons but can't figure it out, so here's the link. No affiliations with them or the products, just trying to share some info and possibly help someone make a more informed decision. If anyone is looking for an inexpensive swing trainer of this nature, it's worth having a look at. Not trying to persuade anyone one way or the other but I can't stand wasting money on bs products. Good luck!
 
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ParHunter

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mjh116 said:
Golf Sense, Swing Byte and Swing Smart - REVIEW
I'm trying to learn how to put pics on here to show some comparisons but can't figure it out, so here's the link. No affiliations with them or the products, just trying to share some info and possibly help someone make a more informed decision. If anyone is looking for an inexpensive swing trainer of this nature, it's worth having a look at. Not trying to persuade anyone one way or the other but I can't stand wasting money on bs products. Good luck!
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You can download the swing smart app and view two demo swings but I thought the Swingbyte software was better. With swing smart you only have a few defined view points while with SwingByte you can view it from any angle.
If it is just numbers you are after then the swing smart might be better and I agree that the attachment if the SwingByte could be improved.
 
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