TRYING to straighten the right arm early in the downswing.

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Brian Manzella

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The quotes are from yours truly....




"You are going to MASSIVELY add gamma (about the shaft) rotation late in the downswing. So, if you can, you sure DO NOT want to do it too soon."


This is not up for debate. Besides myself twice, pals like Richard Franklin and Joe Mayo have spent time on ENSO-pro to confirm what I found in my two visits to see Paul Wood and talk to Alex Dee at Fujikura.

At this point it should be noted that there is a difference between applying TORQUE and creating measurable rotation.




"That's why Hogan went from slightly cupped at the top, to very bent at hands waist high, to arched at impact."


You can add Sergio to that list.




"As far as the right arm goes, you massively add TUMBLE/Beta (pitch of the club) torque at left arm parallel in the downswing."


Tumble—or BETA TORQUE—is basically the golfer taking the left arm and club unit and attempting to pitch it forward, or "tumble" it over.

It is easy to see in Sergio's swing, much harder to see in Mark Calcavecchia's. But it is always present in that middle portion of the swing. Some do it early some later but all APPLY the torque.

At the Golf Magazine Top 100 Summit last year, I was presenting on several topics and one of them was "tumble." Two top teachers just couldn't wrap their heads around it. "I don't see it," was what they said.

But it is there.

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So, remember you can be torquing the heck out of that pickle jar, but it may open slightly after you'd like it—or intend it—to.

Just for funzy, here is a little tumble and gamma:

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"So, if you can, you want to add NEGATIVE beta torque early which will be aided by external rotation of the right arm."


Most of my group calls this move "laying the club down." The external rotation of the right arm early is done by everybody who can throw a football a lick.

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I've always been pretty good at that and nobody ever taught that move to me. So, maybe that is caused by some other movements. That's a separate discussion, but for this one, the point is the "quarterback" is TRYING to straighten their right arm the whole forward motion.

Not in the transition—the time where some things are going one way and some are going the other—but in the forward movement for sure.

It takes a while to look like it is straightening though.




"You want an initial force along the shaft—tangential to the hand path—this will be assisted by the right arm straightening early, 'away from your right ear.' "

Let's look at this one in depth…

Dr. Steven Nesbit taught us that once there is this little drop in the path of the hands as the pelvis lowers about an inch, and that path gets circular, the golfer is continually changing his force along that path from nearly straight down the path early, to toward the golfer by the time of impact.

Homer Kelley saw this move in the best ball strikers and likened it to "pulling an arrow out a quiver."

Tom Tomesello taught this move to Davis Love Jr. who later taught it to his son DLIII. It was the subject of a feature article in Golf Digest and it still a big part of Davis' swing.

So, I am referencing something that the scientists and the theorists both knew existed.

The "away from your right ear" is obviously just a general location, but that FORCE ALONG THE HAND PATH HAS TO come from somewhere.

I invented a drill a long time ago that teaches this basic movement. I called it "The Fiddle Drill."

Video of me doing the drill is in quite a few places on the 'net, but I did a pic to show the basic idea for this post.

Simply, you are holding the club with your first two fingers and your thumb—in order to have super flexible "wrists"—putting the club on your right shoulder and learning two movements you are going to eventually blend.

The first is the fiddle. Using the shaft as your violinist's bow, you move the club back and forth along your right shoulder—parallel to the ground-ish—by bending your arms toward the shoulder and the straightening them away from your shoulder.

The second movement is the downswing pivot.

So, when you do them together you get a nice tangential to the hand path movement that creates some initial lag, and the golfer sees that down by the ball the club will eventually "line up."

For the sake of this post and my last quoted paragraph above, the golfer is applying force along the shaft "away from the left ear" by pivoting and by straightening their right arm early.

How early?

In these three PGA Tour player AMM right arm graphs provided by Tyler Ferell, one of them does it right away. One keeps it bent for about a tenth of a second, one adds bend about that long.

Then, all three of them massively, quickly, violently, straighten the dog doo-doo out of their right arms toward impact.

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It is my contention that the golfer is trying to straighten the arm from the top, away from them, right away, early in the downswing, and depending on their rotational force from their pelvis and torso, actually straighten it massively at different places within a half of a tenth of a second differently.
 
Thanks for that summary, Brian.

So do we get the alpha and the beta from simply straightening the right arm and that kind of sets up the gamma as well, one leading to another smoothly?
 
Could it be by trying to straighten it and actually straightening it are different things?

I would guess that when you reverse direction at the top and pulled hard the right arm would want to bend more, but by trying to straighten it it would not bend more or even straighten a touch. To get to the top of the backswing the right arm has to bend so has to straighten at some point...

With David Toms I would guess the arm is straightening but later, also if you have lots of side bend in the torso is would need to be more bent or you would hit the big ball first....

If you stopped at the top then paused and did nothing but straighten the right arm, then feel like you apply that force then pulled down as well it activates the whole right shoulder/lat complex. Very useful if you don't have Jamie Sadlowski like power to straighten it late or even increase the right elbow angle...
 
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.With David Toms I would guess the arm is straightening but later, also if you have lots of side bend in the torso is would need to be more bent or you would hit the big ball first....

All the more reason why the idea of trying to straighten early is somewhat difficult to accept.
 
wulsy, did you know from you tag line the Dalai Lama gave the pizza guy a $50 note for the pizza, when the pizza guy didn't do anything the Dalai Lama said "Where's my change?"

The pizza guy said "Change comes from within....."

I just see the right arm thing as a trying to, but not actually doing, more of a resisting the force wnating the increase the arm bend...

A torque, not an actual movement....
 

Brian Manzella

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Straighten - The process of making something straight.

To start with, the right arm is never really dead straight. It would hurt.


Secondly, it is really bent at the top—and on the way to how ever much it gets straight, you hit the ball.
 
haha, welshy. Change - the only constant in golf swings.

All those things that you can't see with a camera are the things that really matter in this crazy messed up game.;)
 
Straighten - The process of making something straight.

To start with, the right arm is never really dead straight. It would hurt.


Secondly, it is really bent at the top—and on the way to how ever much it gets straight, you hit the ball.

Does this suggest that straightening is a reaction to pivot (shoulder and pelvis)? I remember MJ recommending in one of his videos that the left arm remain bent on the backswing to assist in the out-toss. For me with a well sequenced pivot both arms (left bent and relaxed) feel as if they are pulled out from the target and down at the start of the backswing.
 
Does this suggest that straightening is a reaction to pivot (shoulder and pelvis)? I remember MJ recommending in one of his videos that the left arm remain bent on the backswing to assist in the out-toss. For me with a well sequenced pivot both arms (left bent and relaxed) feel as if they are pulled out from the target and down at the start of the backswing.

I have that feeling as well, Drew, as if the slack is being pulled out the system as the pivot's change of direction gathers pace.
 

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From that graph, since the right arm is represented by the red curve, what is going on at that maximum up past the blue arrowhead? Is the right arm fully extended then, so this is after impact? Or is the graph about something else, like force applied?

I'm wondering if when the clubhead is above the handle, say from the top of the BS and down "halfway", that the right am extension forces are high there and then reduce as the forces start happening in a more normal (along shaft) direction.
 

Brian Manzella

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Make a golf grip with your hands and hold them in front of you...

Lean your torso halfway toward them, bending your elbows in the process...

Pull your torso back away from them...




There you go....the mysterious straightening arms with "Normal Force."
 
Brian,

How do you know that right arm muscle power is straightening the right arm vs left sided muscle power.

Vijay cracked a rib with a golf ball under his left arm...

Golfie
 

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How early?
In these three PGA Tour player AMM right arm graphs provided by Tyler Ferell, one of them does it right away. One keeps it bent for about a tenth of a second, one adds bend about that long.

Then, all three of them massively, quickly, violently, straighten the dog doo-doo out of their right arms toward impact.

Hey Bmanz just to make sure I understand. From my top of BS the very 1st thing I shoud do is the the move of tryign to straighten my right arm away from the target and then step on my left foot and start the unwind to tear the cover off that mofo?:)
 
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