TRYING to straighten the right arm early in the downswing.

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yeap, that's trow and therefore a involves a motion that allows the launch of the ball, same for all sports that have the throw as an objective.

We don't throw the golf club, nor is the ball attached to the club before it's "thrown"
 
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coophitter

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Some golfers can knock the crap out of the ball with a firm grip and a deadly right forearm thrust. It's not late or early. It's right on time before the ball has a chance to move. Some of these same golfers can hit the ball high and soft with a lighter grip and a softer forearm throw. Some can throw the forearm/hand like they are skipping a rock or cracking a whip and the ball jumps amazingly well off the face. You must throw toward the ball or toward a good place on the ground but never toward the hole or the sky. Some golfers struggle with right forearm/hand throwing. I struggle with everything but right forearm/hand throwing. Of course I must pivot, plant, and pivot some more to give the arm the range of motion and mobile launching pad it needs to make the powerful, accurate, well timed throw.
 
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coophitter

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"Then, all three of them massively, quickly, violently, straighten the dog doo-doo out of their right arms toward impact."
"That forearm stuff better not happen at impact or.....yuk-ola."
I don't quite understand these two sentences. Should the right forearm/hand uncock (straightening of the right arm) toward impact but not at impact? I think that if it uncocks toward impact then it will tend to finish uncocking after impact. Is this what you mean within those two above sentences?
 
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coophitter

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Yeah Wulsy it seems like my periodic replies tend to stop discussions.

I actually straighten my right forearm (palm facing down and hand bent back) toward my right big toe as if I'm vertically pushing a prop plane's propeller down there to help get the plane's engine to kick in..
 
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Brian Manzella

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I have been a bit under the weather but I'm feeling much better....



I did a video on this and it is the first video answer I am selling on this site for $1.99. It is free on GolfWiseGuys.



You CAN NOT push through the ball AGAINST THE SHAFT and apply max speed to the club. Can't.



Halfway down? Different story.




Video will be up by this evening.
 
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coophitter

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The Anti-Summit panelists at one of the summits seemed to agree that there is pushing and pulling going on in the downswing proper so perhaps you CANNOT pull the club through the ball and apply max speed to it either???
 
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coophitter said:
The Anti-Summit panelists at one of the summits seemed to agree that there is pushing and pulling going on in the downswing proper so perhaps you CANNOT pull the club through the ball and apply max speed to it either???
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Few engineers from different club manufactures have told me that it is impossible to hold the club, at some point it will release. The club is design to release whether you like it or no. So will pulling the club with the left help pushing it with the right?
 
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rogerdodger

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In the tourney on the golf channel they played DLiii swing from 1997 and compared it to yesterday. In both swings the right hand moved away from the head, indicating a straightening of the arm. For the right forearm and hand to begin rotating towards the big toe as Coophitter indicates, the right arm would need to be in the process of straightening. Watching Verlander pitch last night, his arm straightens or in the process of it before the wrist and forearm snap the ball. It seems like Coop and Brian are saying the same thing, right arm straightens and at last parallel, rotation of the forearm and wrist snaps into impact. Swingthought, take arrow out of quiver and throw the point at the ball. ? Would that work? Perhaps some might need the tumble earlier, but it can never be consistent in terms of low point of the swing if the right arm does not start to straighten right away. I am thinking of TGM stuff like the law of the circle, which really supports the concept Brian refers to in this post, which has been great learning wise. Thanks
 
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Keefer

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In order to straighten the right arm I assume the right elbow has to unbend. This unbending of the right elbow does not visually happen untill impact or after with the Pro's I see.

So it seems there's a slight unbending initially after transition (move away from the right ear) and then the right elbow bends and tucks close to the body (Penick's magic move) and then straightens at or after impact.

So, count me as one who is confused as to this whole straightening of the right arm early stuff.

If I did that I'd hit 4" behind the ball.

Again, lot's of info, but it's either too vague or confusing, maybe both............

The feel I like is to unbend the right elbow at impact like you're throwing a ball at the ball. Brian has a video somewhere doing this throwing action at the ball. I also like the thrusting feel of the right forearm at the ball. Like a piston straighten.

As we know feels / perception and reality most likely are two separate things.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Here is why you'd better "go normal" (have the force going TOWARD you at impact)...

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wulsy

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Surely there are MANY more golfers who straighten to early than those who straighten too late. I see where you're coming from Brian, but why do you think some folks straighten too early?
 
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siksta

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Excellent vid makes 100% sense time to join the Manzella teaching camp. I think you cant straighten arm too early or else you'd miss the ball.
 
hp12c

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What I sense and I see why, is this. For soo long I and other golfers were told HOLD the angle way into the DS to hit the ball longer Im realeasing too early hold that angle! Now I hear Bmanz say that pros are in the process of straighting the right arm almost immeadiatley and there is scientific proof not just opinion. So the hold the angle camp will say no that is not true and thats ok by me. For me all I can say is Bmanz vids, this forum has changed the way I swing and its been for the better period! If Bmanz ever changes and it doesnt work for me beleive me I will be out of here so fast! No offense Bmanz I sense that you do what u do to make sure true info is getting out to the masses, guys like me regular joes. Keep up the great work!
 
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