Lagging Clubhead Takeaway, Cure for inside takeaway?

[Tball88]

I've really been struggling bending the right wrist too much on takeaway, getting the club stuck behind me and hitting blocks and leakage hooks in an effort to square the club.

Anyway, I started playing with lagging clubhead takeaway and notice I kept the club more in front of me, more on plane, and it was much easier to maintain lag coming down. I was absolutely sizzling the ball.

It's interesting to me that nobody really employs this method anymore. Bobby Jones was hitting bullets with this style in the 30"s with hickory shafts.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Yes it will, i have a student takes the club a bit inside and doesn't quite up to the turned shoulder plane at the top.

He's what i call "too much around and not enough up."

So i made him start doing a lagging clubhead takeaway, just a little bit, not a ton. What this allowed him to do is get more "up" and less "around" and finally up to the TSP and like magic () he was hitting the ball better.

My swing employs a pretty good lagging clubhead takeaway and i play pretty damn well. One of my last rounds of the year (with the same above student) i was -4 on the back nine WITH A BOGEY and it was a windy day on a pretty decently sloped course.

I have practiced hard this winter to "conventionalize" my takeaway and plan to see if it makes any difference in my ballstriking and/or consistency. I then plan to make a large post on my findings.

 

[Tball88]

Jim, do you use lagging clubhead takeaway with all clubs, including the wedges? I've noticed that I have to be careful when using it with the wedges to make sure that I'm lagging the sweetspot and not the hozzle. It's not an issue with the longer clubs.

 

[Burner]

Jim, do you use lagging clubhead takeaway with all clubs, including the wedges? I've noticed that I have to be careful when using it with the wedges to make sure that I'm lagging the sweetspot and not the hozzle. It's not an issue with the longer clubs.

Not Jim, but I am also working on the lagging club take away for the same reason as you - and with very good results.

Doesn't work for me on short pitches and chips though where there does seem to be a tendency to hit the odd Hosel rocket

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Yes i have used it ALL SHOTS.

If you are finding that you are hitting some hosel rockets with this procedure it is because you are "lagging it" too much in the takeaway.

Don't exaggerate it too much, just a little bit is fine. If you do it too much and don't get the sweetspot "set" on the #3pp and you end up lagging the hosel.

 

[RicoSuave]

great information

great question, great answers,
thanks Tball, Jim & Burner!

 

[mtwie]

Up was the key word for me instead of around!

 

[Tball88]

Jim, you've been extremely helpful, one more question. What do you feel, or what visual signs do you use to ensure you've loaded the sweet spot on #3PP instead of the hosel?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Jim, you've been extremely helpful, one more question. What do you feel, or what visual signs do you use to ensure you've loaded the sweet spot on #3PP instead of the hosel?

It's hard to explain, it's like when you go to throw a baseball or a football and you feel that slight "delay" in your hand and your fingers before you throw the ball. That's when it's "set." It should almost feel like you are "catching" the sweet spot on the way up and then storing it on the way down.

 

[Ringer]

A big staple of my instruction is about swinging the WHOLE club (including the grip) away from the ball. Essencially it's the same thing. Then the tricky part is not trying to turn your forearms. Bent right wrist is fine.. it's the rolling of the forearms that's a killer.

 

[Burner]

Yes, the club head should lag both ways.

Drill by using an exaggerated butt leading the club head take away - feel like you are painting with the brush attached to a long stick, or you are sweeping a carpet. Delay the wrist cock, set it late and then maintain it.

The reverse (brush stroke - sweep of the carpet) feeling should be sought on the down swing.

You will then become acquainted with the, hitherto, elusive PP #3.

 

[Spike]

Yes, the club head should lag both ways.

Drill by using an exaggerated butt leading the club head take away - feel like you are painting with the brush attached to a long stick, or you are sweeping a carpet. Delay the wrist cock, set it late and then maintain it.

The reverse (brush stroke - sweep of the carpet) feeling should be sought on the down swing.

You will then become acquainted with the, hitherto, elusive PP #3.

Love the paint brush, Burnerman!!!

 

[Ringer]

Get a box for a dozen golf balls. Make sure it's empty... we want just the box.

Set it down directly behind your club at setup.

Now make your takeaway making sure you do not let the box spin. It should go straight back with no turning.

You can also set a ball about 2 feet behind your original ball and make sure you hit the ball in your takeaway.

These are two common drills you'll see everywhere.

 

[RicoSuave]

Burner,
the allegory of the paintbrush is really great !

 

[Sonic_Doom]

You can also set a ball about 2 feet behind your original ball and make sure you hit the ball in your takeaway.

These are two common drills you'll see everywhere.

You can't be serious about this one

Wouldn't this put the clubhead way out of its natural orbit path?

You're right about it being commonplace though, one of the oldest tips I can remember reading in the monthly mags.

 

[Brian Manzella]

The Saints and Sonic Doom

The Saints will win the Super Bowl!

How do I know?

I just agreed with Sonic Doom.

Of course all of this Lagging Clubhead Takeaway stuff is on my "Pivot Wars" video (Manzella Short #4, part of the 1-4 collection), which, by the way, is up for a re-do.

 

[Ringer]

Believe it or not, it does help.

I thought they were crazy too. The box one really made me curious. It's not about taking the box back STRAIGHT, it's about not letting it spin. That's the key.

And the ball back a couple of feet is not STRAIGHT back.. but slightly inside. I should have clarified.

 

[Spike]

Where would you say is the source of power for a lagging clubhead takeaway?

 

[David Alford]

The benefits of a "lagged" takeaway are seductive...I advise caution, however.

 

[David Alford]

A big staple of my instruction is about swinging the WHOLE club (including the grip) away from the ball. Essencially it's the same thing. Then the tricky part is not trying to turn your forearms. Bent right wrist is fine.. it's the rolling of the forearms that's a killer.

I almost thought the same thing for a long time, but sometimes the only thing that counts when mental efforts fail is pure stubborness. This is the "holy grail" if you can decipher the secret.