3Jack Exercises?

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Lia says he needs to improve his hip flexibility. I'm in the same boat. Would love to achieve more core rotation by the time I reach impact. I'd also like to do workouts that result in less stress on my back during the swing (I hear that hamstrings are a big key there).

Anyway, I'm curious what big things that 3Jack recommends to achieve these things. What are the best books out there? I hear the Roger Fredericks stuff really works.
 
Based on Drewyallop's thread about JAGR and Golf Anatomy - I've just taken delivery of that book. No time yet to properly read, nevermind implement it, but first impressions are that it looks very thorough - and a positive review in JAGR should count for something.
 
Not 3Jack, but " Core Performance for Golf" by Mark Verstegan is very good. You do need to be a bit careful with some of his stuff as you get older though - I did it pretty regularly this winter and keep "straining" my upper back muscles and some obliques. Probably my fault though - I tend to go overboard on everything I do :eek: Kettlebell training is very good as well - tough, but it will get you in tremendous shape. Make sure to get a trainer at 1st though would be my advice. A lot of nuances that make huge differences...
 
This probably isn't a popular stance to make, but I find that most of this stuff with regards to exercise and golf improvement is overstated more often than not. Not that I don't think being in good shape cannot be used to one's advantage, but a lot of the people who think they need to get better hip flexibility in order to improve their hip rotation in the swing need to look at the biomechanics of the body first before they start getting foam rollers and going nuts with hip stretching exercises. I used to do a lot of that stuff as well, only to find that I couldn't get the results I wanted. Then I started to work on my swing mechanics in a better fashion and voila....the hip rotation mechanics improved dramatically.

Now, if you're a Re-Max guy, I would probably recommend hip flexibility exercises. Or if you just have extremely poor hip flexibility. But I honestly believe that most golfers have enough hip flexibility to get the hips to rotate in a fashion that is quite acceptable. They just do not have the swing mechanics that allow for the hips to rotate freely and with ease.

Personally, I think stretching is really good and important to golf, but for different reasons. I think it's key for durability. Golfers tend to get sore lower backs, wrists and shoulders. Stretching helps remedy those ailments. I've got Roger Fredericks DVDs. Very good, but a bit pricey. You could just take a yoga class. Usually some hot girls in those classes, but they add up in price over time. Good way to get out of the house though.

The other part I think is good for golf is cardio. In general, I think if you can keep your heart rate low and blood pressure low, it helps. If I'm playing in Pittsburgh area where it's extremely hilly and I have to walk the course, I'd rather be hitting a ball with my tongue not hanging out of my mouth.

There is another set of exercises I'd like to get into. I won't mention them yet because I haven't tried it. But I think it would work tremendously.

But, I don't really like a lot of the core workouts and weight lifting. If somebody wants to do it for themselves and their life outside of golf...fine. However, I don't think a lot of that stuff will improve a golfer's ballstriking one lick. And I think it can do damage. I don't even think that increasing flexibility and cardio will improve a golfer's swing...but over the long haul I think it helps tremendously.





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I did yoga for about 4 years. I even got certified to teach at 24 hr..Yes, lots of hot women in there. Turns out that static stretching is pretty detrimental for sports performance. My game was definitely the worst it has ever been during those years. And I had the most back pain.
Think about the way all dogs and cats stay fit--every few hours they run around full sprint for a few seconds. They do a quick stretch after laying around. They are not subject to the marketing brainwashing of some stretching guru.
 

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I did yoga for about 4 years. I even got certified to teach at 24 hr..Yes, lots of hot women in there. Turns out that static stretching is pretty detrimental for sports performance. My game was definitely the worst it has ever been during those years. And I had the most back pain.
Think about the way all dogs and cats stay fit--every few hours they run around full sprint for a few seconds. They do a quick stretch after laying around. They are not subject to the marketing brainwashing of some stretching guru.



Except for the fact that cats and dogs anatomy is totally different to a humans the laying around part seems familiar.
 

Jared Willerson

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I think golf and fitness is way overrated. I am an athletic guy, played all the sports in HS and played college baseball and walked on the basketball team....I can't touch my toes, never could. The only part of my body that is remotely flexible are my shoulders. The TPI guys thought there was no way I could make a proper golf swing. I could and they were shocked.

Golf has more to do with mechanics rather than flexibility. If you practice enough, you will get flexible enough.
 
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http://www.chicagogolftrainer.com/support-files/latent-effect-of-passive-static-stretching.pdf


"The design of warm-up routines for athletic movements involving high-intensity power output, biomechanical efficiency, and precise coordination, such as golf, should minimize the amount of stretching before practice or competition. It is recommended that these athletes employ an active dynamic warm-up consisting of lower intensity movements progressing toward an ROM required for optimal mechanics in that particular sport. If the athlete has poor mechanics because of lack of flexibility, this training should be performed after a conditioning session, practice, or competition."

Also take a look at Table 10, Page 5.
 
http://www.chicagogolftrainer.com/support-files/latent-effect-of-passive-static-stretching.pdf


"The design of warm-up routines for athletic movements involving high-intensity power output, biomechanical efficiency, and precise coordination, such as golf, should minimize the amount of stretching before practice or competition. It is recommended that these athletes employ an active dynamic warm-up consisting of lower intensity movements progressing toward an ROM required for optimal mechanics in that particular sport. If the athlete has poor mechanics because of lack of flexibility, this training should be performed after a conditioning session, practice, or competition."

Also take a look at Table 10, Page 5.

Now that is counterintuitive. Interesting!
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Related, but different. I have lost 44lbs since November and "like magic" my swing is back to its old glory and i'm hitting everything A LOT further. My stretching routine consists of high school gym stretching warm up stuff along with slow swing shots to get everything moving.

That be about it.
 
I think golf and fitness is way overrated. I am an athletic guy, played all the sports in HS and played college baseball and walked on the basketball team....I can't touch my toes, never could. The only part of my body that is remotely flexible my shoulders. The TPI guys thought there was no way I could make a proper golf swing. I could and they were shocked.

Golf has more to do with mechanics rather than flexibility. If you practice enough, you will get flexible enough.

Amen to that.

Couple that with the myth of getting stronger to get longer. The idea that slow moving exercises (like lifting) is somehow training for fast moving explosive movements (like swinging) has retarded a lot of potential distance. I don't train for Thanksgiving at the salad bar.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Amen to that.

Couple that with the myth of getting stronger to get longer. The idea that slow moving exercises (like lifting) is somehow training for fast moving explosive movements (like swinging) has retarded a lot of potential distance. I don't train for Thanksgiving at the salad bar.

Other than Jamie Sadlowski, you don't see many small guys competing in long driver though. Just sayn'
 
Other than Jamie Sadlowski, you don't see many small guys competing in long driver though. Just sayn'


Are you saying there's a relationship between size and speed? It seems your implying, with one exception, that bigger equals faster (which is what longer is about). I will concede this, though... big guys can heavy hit.:)
 
Jared Willerson: said:
The TPI guys thought there was no way I could make a proper golf swing. I could and they were shocked.

I'm becoming increasingly sceptical of this TPeye stuff. I'm really inflexible myself, but I've got a good golf swing and I've never had a golf injury in my puff.
 
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