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Is there any other way to hit one?
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Is there any other way to hit one?
drewyallop
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Tiresome, but again I recommend "Golf Anatomy".
Specific chapters for Mobility and Disassociation, Stability, Balance, Strength, Injury Prevention.
All exercises are designed to work all muscles used in the golf swing but also a good way to improve general fitness. The relationship of each exercise to golf is explained. Relevant muscle groups are shown.
All exercises are dynamic. Three sets of 12 repetitions, most using body weight alone. Very little free weight work.
For me, results were immediate.
I think I now know why the McIlroys can bomb it.
If you think you are fit for golf test yourself with these exercises. You may be surprised.
Drew
Specific chapters for Mobility and Disassociation, Stability, Balance, Strength, Injury Prevention.
All exercises are designed to work all muscles used in the golf swing but also a good way to improve general fitness. The relationship of each exercise to golf is explained. Relevant muscle groups are shown.
All exercises are dynamic. Three sets of 12 repetitions, most using body weight alone. Very little free weight work.
For me, results were immediate.
I think I now know why the McIlroys can bomb it.
If you think you are fit for golf test yourself with these exercises. You may be surprised.
Drew
mgranato
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I think most are saying the best "fitness test" for golf is your score.
Come on, mgranato. Below are some thoughts from Tom Wishon, a very wise man:
Ask Tom Wishon - Part III Clubfitting Q&A Series | Golf Gear Select
I’m not going to mince words here. Increasing a golfer’s swing speed by even 10% is never going to happen strictly through any change in the golf club’s specifications. Swing speed increases of 5%, 10% are really only possible if the golfer makes a serious commitment to a physical training program that focuses on core strength and flexibility training, and when the golfer stays with that program for a year or more.
I’m not going to mince words here. Increasing a golfer’s swing speed by even 10% is never going to happen strictly through any change in the golf club’s specifications. Swing speed increases of 5%, 10% are really only possible if the golfer makes a serious commitment to a physical training program that focuses on core strength and flexibility training, and when the golfer stays with that program for a year or more.
Some more useful thoughts from Tom Wishon:
Ask Tom Wishon
Last point – if you love the game, don’t want to lose more in how you play, and are willing to commit to a well planned physical work out program, there very definitely are some fantastic training regimens that truly can bring back some of the lost clubhead speed as we age. My son is a physical therapist also with an exercise science degree and last winter he finally got his old man here to agree to go into such a training program after hearing me complain of lost distance.
Let me tell you how much I have always HATED working out in the past. But somehow I got the guts, courage, fear of losing any more in my game, to hang with his personal training sessions three times a week. After three months of his personal training, him being there every workout session to help me/encourage me/yell at me sometimes too, the endorphins from working out finally started to kick in for me so that I could see and feel the benefits enough to gain my own motivation to keep it up. After 3x a week sessions from last November to late March, I started this golf season with +5mph swing speed more than I had last season, (remember 1mph driver clubhead speed = 2.8 yds) so that was 14yds I gained back.
If you are so willing, I strongly recommend you find a licensed personal trainer who specializes in Core Strength and Flexibility training. Trainers licensed either in the TPI (Titleist Performance Institute) or the Paui Chek programs are also good for golf training. And remember, no one, and I mean this, no one hated working out more than I did. But having a trainer there with me for every work out for three months is what got me over the hump. It really is worth it and now that it is November again, I am back at working out again.
~ Tom Wishon
Last point – if you love the game, don’t want to lose more in how you play, and are willing to commit to a well planned physical work out program, there very definitely are some fantastic training regimens that truly can bring back some of the lost clubhead speed as we age. My son is a physical therapist also with an exercise science degree and last winter he finally got his old man here to agree to go into such a training program after hearing me complain of lost distance.
Let me tell you how much I have always HATED working out in the past. But somehow I got the guts, courage, fear of losing any more in my game, to hang with his personal training sessions three times a week. After three months of his personal training, him being there every workout session to help me/encourage me/yell at me sometimes too, the endorphins from working out finally started to kick in for me so that I could see and feel the benefits enough to gain my own motivation to keep it up. After 3x a week sessions from last November to late March, I started this golf season with +5mph swing speed more than I had last season, (remember 1mph driver clubhead speed = 2.8 yds) so that was 14yds I gained back.
If you are so willing, I strongly recommend you find a licensed personal trainer who specializes in Core Strength and Flexibility training. Trainers licensed either in the TPI (Titleist Performance Institute) or the Paui Chek programs are also good for golf training. And remember, no one, and I mean this, no one hated working out more than I did. But having a trainer there with me for every work out for three months is what got me over the hump. It really is worth it and now that it is November again, I am back at working out again.
~ Tom Wishon
mgranato
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Wise about club design, not a real authority on the topic though. Improving core strength and flexibility will guarantee nothing by way of swing speed.
I have the "Golf Anatomy" book. It's not bad, but to do what they recommend is fairly time consuming. Most guys, I think, aren't interested in spending a good deal of their golf time working on training for "golf fitness", but rather interested in playing golf and improving their swing. A basic level of fitness is required, obviously, but their is a great benefit in actually learning how to do something versus training for doing something. Golf just doesn't require above average physical conditioning.
Do what you need to do to post better scores - that's all.
I have the "Golf Anatomy" book. It's not bad, but to do what they recommend is fairly time consuming. Most guys, I think, aren't interested in spending a good deal of their golf time working on training for "golf fitness", but rather interested in playing golf and improving their swing. A basic level of fitness is required, obviously, but their is a great benefit in actually learning how to do something versus training for doing something. Golf just doesn't require above average physical conditioning.
Do what you need to do to post better scores - that's all.
As a guy with a swing speed of 100 to 105 MPH, it's really not clear to me which would be more effective at getting me that extra 5 MPH I really need: technique or workouts.
birly-shirly
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I wouldn't wish an injury on anyone (least of all to prove a point) but old age has a knack of catching up with statements like that and making them look a tad rash. Prior to this year, I'd have said that I was pretty inflexible, but pretty active and never really suffered a sporting injury in years. In the last year, and my last year before I turn 40, I've experienced the joys of a couple of bouts of back pain, torn hamstrings and reduced mobility in my shoulders. That's enough to encourage me to take mobility training seriously for the second half of my life.
Golfwise - I think there's a trap for those who learn a good swing when they're young (and flexible). So long as they keep playing, they can maybe take the freedom of movement for granted. It doesn't necessarily mean that the flexibility will always be there, or that it'll be there for folks that didn't learn as kids, or that it can be acquired through just practicing the swing.
self-mastery
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Young Man's Power Swing vs Old Man's Power Swing:
If you're out of shape and lack flexibility, then Rory's 'modern' swing will not work for you, but Kenny Perry's swing might. Both are power swings, but guess which one you will be able to 'golf' well into old age?
I think dynamic training works best for golf.
If you're out of shape and lack flexibility, then Rory's 'modern' swing will not work for you, but Kenny Perry's swing might. Both are power swings, but guess which one you will be able to 'golf' well into old age?
I think dynamic training works best for golf.
Not sure I buy this. Snead played well into very-advanced ages. I don't see what Kenny Perry's pattern vs. Snead's pattern has anything to do with. I think Rory's pattern (as well as Sergio's) ought to hold up very well on the Champions Tour.
self-mastery
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Where did I mention Snead? My comparison was between a Rory type swing and a Perry type swing.
I'm speaking of style wise for the non-professional who uses a similar swing pattern. How many older men do you think can perform a Rory swing with success vs a Kenny Perry type of swing. For the average older golfer, I wonder which swing would start to lose power first?
No disrespect but Wishon is at least as much an authority on the subject as you are, so his opinion is as valid as yours, as valid as that may be.
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Oh yeah?? What does Tom Wishon shoot???
Have no idea but he's in great shape doing it....lol.
Working on your golf game guarantees nothing there are no guarantee's and when your training at something can you not also learn at the same time. If you don't want to work out then don't but there is nothing that says if you do, it won't help to improve your game. At the very least you'll be in better condition, nothing wrong with that. JMO.
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faux_maestro
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I know this is just anecdotal evidence but when I worked out just a little last year I hit it better, longer, more consistently, and felt stronger coming up the last couple holes. As a result, I consistently scored better than I had the years before. This coupled with getting "smartened up" around here I feel pretty good about what I'm doing. JMHO.
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mgranato
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That's precisely my point, he's not, I'm not, you're not - but Wishon was the only one sited by Lifter. I have trained (strength and flexibility) at a very high level for a number of years in my previous life. But only did so because the sport demanded it. I've lived on both sides of the coin, and I just don't see the same benefit-to-time ratio for golf. Largely because I see posting a score as much more than athleticism.
Who's best prepared to be the "Champion Golfer of the Year"? The athlete who can dunk, or the 42 Year old who smokes as he plays and says he plays better fat? Hint: Guinness is the new Gatorade.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to workout....no wait, today's a cheat day.
That's precisely my point, he's not, I'm not, you're not - but Wishon was the only one sited by Lifter. I have trained (strength and flexibility) at a very high level for a number of years in my previous life. But only did so because the sport demanded it. I've lived on both sides of the coin, and I just don't see the same benefit-to-time ratio for golf. Largely because I see posting a score as much more than athleticism.
Who's best prepared to be the "Champion Golfer of the Year"? The athlete who can dunk, or the 42 Year old who smokes as he plays and says he plays better fat? Hint: Guinness is the new Gatorade.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to workout....no wait, today's a cheat day.
HOF post! Plus I got a giggle out of it.
A friend of mine was the Texas state POY a few years ago. Incredibly good player and by no means a "specimen". Regardless, he always thought he played his best when he was doing "hot yoga" (I assure you that I'd take his "worst" any day of the week). He played more than he practiced
That's precisely my point, he's not, I'm not, you're not - but Wishon was the only one sited by Lifter. I have trained (strength and flexibility) at a very high level for a number of years in my previous life. But only did so because the sport demanded it. I've lived on both sides of the coin, and I just don't see the same benefit-to-time ratio for golf. Largely because I see posting a score as much more than athleticism.
Who's best prepared to be the "Champion Golfer of the Year"? The athlete who can dunk, or the 42 Year old who smokes as he plays and says he plays better fat? Hint: Guinness is the new Gatorade.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to workout....no wait, today's a cheat day.
mgranato, the two key sentences above are: "I have trained (strength and flexibility) at a very high level for a number of years in my previous life. But only did so because the sport demanded it."
In other words, you're naturally athletic. Couldn't there be diminishing marginal returns to working out? If you're naturally athletic, the payoff for working out might be small. But what if you lack natural athletic ability? In that case, there might be significant benefits to working out.
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