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sharkey35

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My conclusions after a few years of trying different things: If your strength and/or flexibility prevents you from making a full swing, you need strength and flexibility training to allow you to make a full swing. If you can make a full swing, traditional workouts and yoga/stretching will have marginal impact on your golf swing (although you may feel pretty good). If you want to swing faster, you have to learn how to move your muscles faster. Stonger more flexible muscles don't necessarily move faster. Recruiting fast twitch muscles and learning how to use them will do you better.

Not an authority, just a 47 y.o. guy who sits in an office most days wishing he was playing golf. I spent years working out (yoga, kettlebells) and saw marginal results on my swing. I did play a little better as I maintained good stamina. I recently started doing some exercises designed to work fast twitch muscles and saw immediate results. I'm talking about measurable gains in club head speed in a short amount of time.

Do what works for you. Working out is never bad, just have realistic expectations.
 
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footwedge

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mgranato said:
That's precisely my point, he's not, I'm not, you're not - but Wishon was the only one sited by Lifter. I have trained (strength and flexibility) at a very high level for a number of years in my previous life. But only did so because the sport demanded it. I've lived on both sides of the coin, and I just don't see the same benefit-to-time ratio for golf. Largely because I see posting a score as much more than athleticism.

Who's best prepared to be the "Champion Golfer of the Year"? The athlete who can dunk, or the 42 Year old who smokes as he plays and says he plays better fat? Hint: Guinness is the new Gatorade.:)

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to workout....no wait, today's a cheat day. :)
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I think by that reasoning Sumo wrestlers that smoke should take up golf, they'd clean up all the Majors. Can't wait till D.C. is 340lbs and 65yrs.old and lugging his oxygen bottle around The Old Course, he'll be unbeatable...lol.
 
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Well said, Sharkey. We had one strength coach, an old school guy who had us lifting all the time and we definitely got better at lifting heavier weights. We looked a lot better (especially for the beach), but we didn't see the same gains during practice or play. We eventually got another coach who was more into explosive/speed training. That was like flipping a switch. So you're right, it's more about how you train rather than if you train.

Lifter, I would never consider myself a "natural athlete". I've been fortunate to be around some real freaks of nature. Guys who looked like Atlas, could run for days, and could jump over the rim. Those guys would be the naturals in my book. I was able to do some things decently after a lot of reps - A LOT of reps. :mad::rolleyes:

If someone is unathletic, I'm not sure what benefits they will see. A certain level of coordination seems compulsory for a decent swing, but I'm not sure if coordination can be gained through working out. It's certainly worth a try.
 
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footwedge said:
I think by that reasoning Sumo wrestlers that smoke should take up golf, they'd clean up all the Majors. Can't wait till D.C. is 340lbs and 65yrs.old and lugging his oxygen bottle around The Old Course, he'll be unbeatable...lol.
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I'm not sure they would have enough room for sponsor logos on those banana hammock things they wear. Regardless, they seem to already be working on it...:D

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mgranato said:
I'm not sure they would have enough room for sponsor logos on those banana hammock things they wear. Regardless, they seem to already be working on it...:D

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I knew it was only a matter of time, I concede defeat you were right. Damn Sumo wrestlers:mad: always messing things up!:D
 
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you know who that is? that's charles barkley. you know how far he hit it? 329 yards. there was no wind. i was right there. you know how fat and inflexible he is? very. you know how strong he is? like a freakin ox.

hank haney on the question "how does barkley hit it so dang far?" "wide arc and fast hands."

 
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dschultz6072 said:
you know who that is? that's charles barkley. you know how far he hit it? 329 yards. there was no wind. i was right there. you know how fat and inflexible he is? very. you know how strong he is? like a freakin ox.

hank haney on the question "how does barkley hit it so dang far?" "wide arc and fast hands."

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Okay, Sumo wrestlers I can understand but Barkley that's pushing it...:eek:
 
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Video says American Century Championship so yes......that's at elevation right? But still, 329 even in the mountains is better than I could do.
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I don't know how much further the ball goes at elevation (maybe 10%?), but could have been added in since he did say "no wind". Barkley is definitely a beast and there is still a lot of "left overs" from his many years of training at an elite level--even if it was basketball specific--that does carry over to golf.

I'm in the camp that believes in more sport specific training. A good whole body warm up, then go at your sport and sport specific exercises if you need them. I'm not too sure the golf swing needs a whole lot of accessory exercises.
 
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dunno but i'm just giving you an example of what looks like an inflexible lardass crushing the ball over 300 yards multiple times. barkley's swing minus the hitch must equal pretty good mechanics i guess. oh yea...he hitched pretty disgusting on the first tee.

btw, wind or no wind, elevation or not, i know what clubhead speed approaching 115-120 sounds like. he had it.
 
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I saw that stretching routine on the weekend coverage. In all seriousness, if that's golf-specific fitness - then I'm not that fit. I wonder how many people on here have that degree of shoulder and spine flexibility.
 
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I love how the Mechanic mixes smoking and fitness! I think he's a good example of the attitude that makes the Europeans so tough to beat in the Ryder Cup.
 
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birly-shirly said:
I wouldn't wish an injury on anyone (least of all to prove a point) but old age has a knack of catching up with statements like that and making them look a tad rash. Prior to this year, I'd have said that I was pretty inflexible, but pretty active and never really suffered a sporting injury in years. In the last year, and my last year before I turn 40, I've experienced the joys of a couple of bouts of back pain, torn hamstrings and reduced mobility in my shoulders. That's enough to encourage me to take mobility training seriously for the second half of my life.

Golfwise - I think there's a trap for those who learn a good swing when they're young (and flexible). So long as they keep playing, they can maybe take the freedom of movement for granted. It doesn't necessarily mean that the flexibility will always be there, or that it'll be there for folks that didn't learn as kids, or that it can be acquired through just practicing the swing.
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In stone Birly. I am on the threshold of 65. Gravity and the swing take you down. The only reason I can still walk and make a decent swing is gym time.
 
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mgranato said:
Amen to that.

Couple that with the myth of getting stronger to get longer. The idea that slow moving exercises (like lifting) is somehow training for fast moving explosive movements (like swinging) has retarded a lot of potential distance. I don't train for Thanksgiving at the salad bar.
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Golf Anatomy recommends dead lifts, among others, for developing explosive movements you talk about mgranato.

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