Jim Kobylinski
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Not brian but i can answer:
No, as long as don't "over due" it. Your hips only move far enough to get the right shoulder to move downplane.
#5 - Getting the Right Shoulder Down Plane
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Not brian but i can answer:
No, as long as don't "over due" it. Your hips only move far enough to get the right shoulder to move downplane.
mitch:
Could be that your right shoulder may be lifting on the BS, or in other words, your shoulder turn isn't flat enough. That dropping feeling might be a compensation as a result of a steep right shoulder turn. All you really need on the backswing is to fold the right arm, apply some extensor action, and let the body turn. Unless you are using a turning shoulder plane where you turn your body and lift your arms at the same time, you never consciously lift from the shoulders, nor do you ever lift your shoulders from the body. If you watch the sideview swing sequences of pros, all they really do is fold the right arm, apply extensor action and turn their bodies. Because they are extremely flexible, it appears they are doing a whole lot of lifting, but they aren't. Getting the hands to shoulder height is sufficient.
Chuck Evans' site had(has?) a short video clip demonstrating this with a piece of string. I don't know if its available since his site went pay.
Could be that your right shoulder may be lifting on the BS, or in other words, your shoulder turn isn't flat enough. That dropping feeling might be a compensation as a result of a steep right shoulder turn. All you really need on the backswing is to fold the right arm, apply some extensor action, and let the body turn. Unless you are using a turning shoulder plane where you turn your body and lift your arms at the same time, you never consciously lift from the shoulders, nor do you ever lift your shoulders from the body. If you watch the sideview swing sequences of pros, all they really do is fold the right arm, apply extensor action and turn their bodies. Because they are extremely flexible, it appears they are doing a whole lot of lifting, but they aren't. Getting the hands to shoulder height is sufficient.
Chuck Evans' site had(has?) a short video clip demonstrating this with a piece of string. I don't know if its available since his site went pay.
Jim Kobylinski
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mitch, watch the video.
Simply put the club across your shoulders like brian does and practice getting that butt end of the club to point at the ball in the downswing.
Simply put the club across your shoulders like brian does and practice getting that butt end of the club to point at the ball in the downswing.
Thanks Jim and DDl. Jim I think you hit it on the head. The idea of having a shaft pointing towad the ball coming down seem to work. It kinda parallels the feel of a cross lin delivery path of a hitter but using the tip of the right shoulder rather than the pp#3. Is this a correct image?
Jim Kobylinski
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mitch, whatever works for you. Just keep that club always pointing at the plane line during the downswing.
Remember, the plane line goes for infinity in both directions. So make sure that club (that is across your shoulders) is pointing somewhere along that plane line.
Remember, the plane line goes for infinity in both directions. So make sure that club (that is across your shoulders) is pointing somewhere along that plane line.
Exactly - vertical arm movement - horizontal body motion - very little axis tilt = still best player in women's golf. The question is does she ever get the right shoulder "on plane" or by-pass this and just get her right forearm on plane by impact. Anyone got a down the line pre impact photo that may show this?
Just goes to show you that talent trumps notions of what is correct or ideal. Or that HK was correct in that there is no "the way", but a myriad "my ways".
As for getting her right shoulder "on plane", I'm sure I have some sequence photos at home in the "archives". I will check tonight.
In the meantime, would you please clarify what you mean by "on plane". If you mean does she drive her shoulder down the Turned Shoulder Plane, then I suspect the answer is in the negative even without seeing the pictures. But I will see what I can dig up.
hiro
Look at Brian's swing in this video...
http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Movies/briannew1.mov
Certainly does not appear to me that his hips move as much as he says they need to move. What am I missing?
Brian Manzella
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That is a really bad swing, made by me doing a really different pattern than my normal (for research purposes).
birdie_man
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It's not THAT bad of a swing (err was it a Hit?) Brian lol...
You'll still always have that flat left wrist right?
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You'll still always have that flat left wrist right?
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Brian Manzella
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Brian Manzella
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whatever?
Please explain.
Please explain.
sorry Brian, I meant... no matter which plane angle the shaft is on through impact?
If the shaft is on the turned shoulder plane during the impact interval I'd think it must be next to impossible to have the right shoulder continuing to move downplane all the way to both arms straight. No?
If the shaft is on the turned shoulder plane during the impact interval I'd think it must be next to impossible to have the right shoulder continuing to move downplane all the way to both arms straight. No?
From impact to both arms straight, how much further are you thinking the right shoulder moves down? For instance, maybe you are thinking it's moving like a foot or so. (Also, I'm not sure when it comes into play, but the left shoulder going up affects this dynamic also.)
Take a look at D Toms' right shoulder in pic 7 from down the line (pic 3 in this set).
http://content-golf.live.advance.net/images/gd200602/tomsdownline2.jpg
You can perhaps see the motion better in pics 5-8 of the up the line sequence here:
http://content-golf.live.advance.net/images/gd200208/davidtoms.jpg
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