above address shaft plane angle at impact

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Check your setup better yet have someone look at it for you and make sure you are not setting up with open shoulders to the plane line, I would start with that you can a lot of the times trace swing errors back to a bad setup.
 
do you mean above plane? as in swinging too far left?

dannyc,

what you are referring to (shaft at address) is the plane ANGLE.
the plane LINE is the base of he plane and where the general "direction" of the swing
 
dannyc,

what you are referring to (shaft at address) is the plane ANGLE.
the plane LINE is the base of he plane and where the general "direction" of the swing

right. i guess i just read into his statement...being above or below generally relating to the angle, not the line.
 

it is not necessary to return the shaft to the same angle it was at address. most golfers shift planes. i am by no means an expert, but i would guess you probably swing down the tsp and not elbow.
beware of the line drawers ;)
 

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it is not necessary to return the shaft to the same angle it was at address. most golfers shift planes. i am by no means an expert, but i would guess you probably swing down the tsp and not elbow.
beware of the line drawers ;)

What if I wanted to stay on the elbow plane?
 
Try this:

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What if I wanted to stay on the elbow plane?

there was a recent thread where it was stated that trying to take a natural tsp'er to an elbow plane (or vice versa) usually does more harm than good...
i'll see if i can find it.
why no love for the tsp?
 
there was a recent thread where it was stated that trying to take a natural tsp'er to an elbow plane (or vice versa) usually does more harm than good...
i'll see if i can find it.
why no love for the tsp?

I think the thread was Brian's blog about Tiger and Phil. I'm a natural tsp, who would be some examples of guys who also return to the tsp?
 
The TSP or Elbow Plane is more a function of your backswing, than soley what you do in your downswing.

You can only drop your plane so much.

bcoak and Jack Nicklaus could never find their Elbow Planes with their backswings.

Don't make this thing so complicated.
 

bcoak

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Your hands move too soon, too high, too rolled and too "out" and above plane. Fix the backswing first. A shift to the elbow plane from this position is asking for trouble

"Your hands move too soon, too high, too rolled and too "out" and above plane." All this is the backswing? Any tips to help fix?
 
"Your hands move too soon, too high, too rolled and too "out" and above plane." All this is the backswing? Any tips to help fix?

Try to move the club with your pivot, not your hands. Try a little bit of LCT. Try to avoid "pop out" by keeping the distance between the shaft and your body the same on the backswing.
 

ej20

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If you single shift and come STRAIGHT down the shoulder plane you are OTT plain and simple.

Good players who can work the ball well can alter the downswing plane at will.Coming down OTT(turned shoulder plane) is good for fades and deliberate slices.Elbow plane is good for draws and deliberate hooks.

Those who say Nicklaus uses the TSP exclusively has not seen the swings where he double shifts.

I read an article by Mark O'meara where he said he can on purpose come OTT for a steeper attack on the ball when hitting out of deep rough.
 
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