Are Brian's Lessons for the Advanced Golfer Only? (+ new Manzella BLOG!)

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huestisc

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OK - Back to the topic, Simplicity in Teaching

Tom Bartlett said:
I bet a lot of the old golf teachers, before T.V., internet, magazines, big money could teach circles around most of todays teachers.
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Back in the 60's my Dad was an assistant pro in the summers and an aspiring mini-tour player in the winters. One winter he managed to get a lesson booked with Jack Grout (yes, Fat Jack's teacher). The lesson lasted about 15 minutes. Jack had my dad hit some balls with a mid-iron, told him to hit one high. Then low. Then draw. Then fade. Dad had no problems working the ball anyway he wanted, and hit all the shots Jack asked him to. OK, now the driver. Now, the driver, but harder. Now again. "OK son, what you need to do is hit 500 HARD drivers a day for the next 3 weeks". End of lesson.

He worked through various shots until he found something he didn't like, that being my Dad's relative lack of power. Not one word was mentioned about technique in the entire lesson!

With work and lessons and a young family, he wasn't able to hit 500 drivers a day, but he did hit 250 a day for three weeks...and he said he got a LOT better with the driver...after that he would get up on the tee and just KNOW he was going to hit it good.

Hard to imagine modern teachers giving that kind of lesson...they'd be too busy drawing lines.
 
Steve Khatib

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Tom Bartlett said:
I bet a lot of the old golf teachers, before T.V., internet, magazines, big money could teach circles around most of todays teachers.
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No need to bet Tom : it is a fact they were by far better than today's teachers, as they had 2 things :- less mis information and it had to work a make a golfer better rather than justify a 'pop method' or look good on a line drawing program.
 
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huestisc said:
Back in the 60's my Dad was an assistant pro in the summers and an aspiring mini-tour player in the winters. One winter he managed to get a lesson booked with Jack Grout (yes, Fat Jack's teacher). The lesson lasted about 15 minutes. Jack had my dad hit some balls with a mid-iron, told him to hit one high. Then low. Then draw. Then fade. Dad had no problems working the ball anyway he wanted, and hit all the shots Jack asked him to. OK, now the driver. Now, the driver, but harder. Now again. "OK son, what you need to do is hit 500 HARD drivers a day for the next 3 weeks". End of lesson.

He worked through various shots until he found something he didn't like, that being my Dad's relative lack of power. Not one word was mentioned about technique in the entire lesson!

With work and lessons and a young family, he wasn't able to hit 500 drivers a day, but he did hit 250 a day for three weeks...and he said he got a LOT better with the driver...after that he would get up on the tee and just KNOW he was going to hit it good.

Hard to imagine modern teachers giving that kind of lesson...they'd be too busy drawing lines.
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IMO, this story illustrates perfectly the modern fascination with the theory that a perfect swing will produce perfect results. A lesson like Grout's would take a great eye, knowledge and experience, without needing a crazy swing overhaul to deal with 1 problem. It also seems like the type of instruction that shouldn't make someone worse before they get better. Need more of that today...
 
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except brian

Steve Khatib said:
No need to bet Tom : it is a fact they were by far better than today's teachers, as they had 2 things :- less mis information and it had to work a make a golfer better rather than justify a 'pop method' or look good on a line drawing program.
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i have read lot of things about different teachers......i truly believe that bmanz....not only knowledge...but ability to disgnose the problem quickly....is his greatest asset.

hj
 
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hjacknicklaus said:
ofcourse i was...

just getting the pot stirred a bit

geeeez did i get slapped around....on here and pm's

i WOULD......ONLY TAKE LESSONS FROM BRIAN.. IF I WERE TAKING LESSONS.

but i must say i am very proud of the group the way you protected him.

he is the best.....hands down.....

he could teach a newborn baby...or my mom who is 94.......or my dad who is 96......

take care all

hjack
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Do us all a favor and don't waste our time next time you feel like "stirring the pot". Thx
 
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If y He apparently dou won't take a lesson from Brian and aren't learning anything then why are you still posting here? To stir the pot? Nobody's forcing you to be here.

To each his own I guess. :cool:
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I agree. He said he would not take a lesson from Brian. I just don't understand it either. What is it that hjack wants?

i posted before reading the entire thread. i was thinking who 'is' this guy? wonder if i stirred it up if B would give me a free lesson? hmmm!!
 
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pieman

in this economy you have to save as much as possible

trust me if i wanted brian to spend 15 minutes with me at no-charge he would....................i just wouldnt ask...

now you might ask.......why would he???

that my friend you have to ask him...

hjack................
 
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pieman

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hjack: trust me it was all said in fun. a buddy lives near louisville. i will be getting down there to see him and Brian for sure.
 
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HowardK

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oh yes pieman

here is something for you

if brian is booked up

you might try a friend of mine

let me give you his name

nairb alleznam

he is excellent......brian is as well

i give you his name just in case

hjack
 
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Just for the record..........

Brian doesn't need defending. His work speaks for itelf. I was just astounded that someone was so........out there.

Whatever dudes.

Funny jokes.
 
birdie_man

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Your BLOG post was good BTW Brian...

"The Perfect Golf Lesson would be one where I watched you hit one ball, and spotted the root cause of all your maladies. I would then show you one move, one move I know from experience will make you do THE thing you weren't doing before. Once you were ready, I let you hit a shot, and if you did as I said, I'd wink and walk away, no charge."

Copy/paste.

I don't save many quotes even on here. I like the "bottom-line", "all-in-one" statements though. When you can say a lot with few words. (like your signature)
 
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Bill Miracle

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Hmmmmm should I even waste my time responding....

maybe I should have read all 8 pages of this thread but....nah, wasn't gonna happen.

When I first saw Brian, I had been playing golf for about a year (first saw him fall of 2006)....took it up at age 47. I was not a pretty sight

Spent 6 hours with him one weekend. Had me hitting much better but....still a long way to go.

Came back a year later and spent 4 hours with him. Realized that I wasn't as disciplined as I should have been during that year. However, the lesson was completely different that the year before. We did not cover the same things.

Due to the economy, I just couldn't afford to see Brian this year. However, I have continued to buy his videos and use the video I made during my second set of lessons. Combine all of this together and I am thrilled as to where my game is going.

If you have a shitty swing and don't play well....it may take some time. But the instruction was off the charts. I completely understand what he wanted me to do and I am now getting to a place where I am doing a lot of it.

I'm not an advanced golfer but I am advancing quite nicely. I plan on visiting Brian again in 2009. I know it's not going to come over night but I had a 5 year plan to reach a certain skill level with this crazy game. I think I am ahead of schedule because of Brian.

So no....Brian's teaching is for all levels. He makes it very easy to understand what YOU need to do. YOU just need to do it and that part is not on him.
 
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