Badds and Price pictures...

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My opinion on Nick Price: http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=4390634c-76d1-5a93-5359-761479183e41&size=

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This swing is also low-maintenance, IMO...and allows him to spend more time with his family instead of on the range and still make millions.

Redgoat, did you send TP?
 

hue

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quote:Originally posted by southpaw



As for the assertion that Leadbetter isn't a coach... I don't agree, and without trying to canonize Lead, I can tell you that nobody stays in business this long by selling a "one size fits all" approach. I'm sure that he tailors his instruction to the various individual players and what they bring to him. You cannot tell me that Trevor Immelman swings the same as Badds, or that Els swings the same as Justin Rose. I've seen and analyzed all these players on video, and I can tell you that there are small but fundamental differences between each player. The assertion that there is one "Leadbetter" mold is bunk. Yeah, he over-hypes and over-markets himself, and it's easy to hate him because of that, but don't think that he isn't just as much of a coach as Harmon. Jim Flick, on the other hand...
southpaw: I was taught by Denis Pugh Leadbetter's former partner just after they split. Their tour players had to make a choice as to which coach they went to. Pugh was coaching Frank Nobilo, Wayne Riley, Peter O' Malley and a few other players. This was just after his star player who I have met and had a talk with Mark Davis packed Pugh in. I know for fact that Leadbetter DID teach the "one size fits all" approach . I discussed this with Pugh and he said they "Leadbetter and Pugh" had learned that this did not work and were moving away from it. I also have spoken to a couple of tour players when I was caddying in the same group for a player friend of mine who did not make it. At the time I was a Leadbetter fan because I knew no better. These guys went into detail about potential stars that they knew that were flat ruined and coached off the tour by this pair. Leadbetter was described as a "Fraud" and one of the critisms was that he did not work around the player but wanted to impose his swing on them. I am sure that Leadbetter has changed his ideas in this area . His failures who with their ruined careers that don't make the headlines have paid the price that enabled him to change from his ridgid teaching structure to this all enlightened "I work around the player" spin. Finding out the real state of play was a shock to me but when it comes from the mouths of a grand slam winner and several players that have or do play on the tours. It makes you sit up and smell the coffee. His success is by virtue of riding Faldo's back and IMG creating and marketing the newish concept of the star coach. The fact that he is now reinventing himself as this kind of enlightened "work around the player" coach makes me puke it is pure hypocricy . The guy is a fraud. Great coaches should be judged more by their success in coaching guys onto the tours rather than tinkering with already great players that are there already. There is a lot more that I could go into but IMHO Mathew has got it right about him however he arrived at his conclusions. Fame is not always a product of competence. Leadbetter may promote himself as the "Sultan of Swing" but the " Sultan of Spin" is much closer to the truth.
 
Ragman, re: your comment about reaching the top of the backswing in sync.. Leadbetter is big on this and that's why he advocates an early wrist cock. The story I heard is when Price first worked with him, he had him hit 8 irons with a "preset" drill (club already cocked to start the swing) and Price wore out the groves on the club doing it.
 

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I am pretty sure that there is some footage of this on his Fixes and Faults video which he did with Price which shows a youthful Nick doing this. I gave all my Leadbetter books and videos away to a charity shop so I am not 100% sure about this. This sweep loading move is also in the Mac O' Grady swing. There does seem to be evidence that Leadbetter pinched a lot of his ideas from him .
 

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quote:Originally posted by Mathew

quote:Originally posted by Redgoat

Mathew,

I don't believe he is toe up at the first parallel.

http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=32ec477c-5649-39eb-4fcf-108f201765eb&size=

Redgoat

If you re-read what I wrote - I never said he is - I'll rewrite in simplier sentences

Lead teaches toe up. Nick Price does the correct thing with having the clubface hooded in the sequence. Perhaps in future Lead will enforce his junk onto Price...

Make anymore sence ?

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I see he's not toe up at first parallel like lead teaches, perhaps that will be the next spanner lead will throw into the cog.

Easy Mathew. RG takes a lot of time to post great pics, and he probably just misread your post. DOn't be a Pr&^*
 
Mathew,

I thought it said he was toe up and that was why you were dissapointed. My apologies if I was incorrect. I think that is the first mistake I have made since 1987. ;)

Redgoat
 
George Kelnhofer G.S.E.D. developed Charles Howell from age 8 to 12 and he was winning national tournaments at 95 lbs.His swing was better then. His parents had to chose between George and Lead. This kid would have made it with any of the following snake oil salesman -Dalton Mccreary .David Lee ,John Redman, Flick etc. etc.
 
Toe up seems to be the only way to go. I have been doing toe up and combining it with pre-swing waggle ala Weir and DiMarco for a year and it works very well to get on plane.
Anyone have any opinions or is that a silly question?
 
Good pic of Badds

Redgoat said:

This Photo is after working with MAC, the with mike and Andy.
His first lesson was with Mac four weeks before this.
He said he was not sure he could do it.
Funny three months later he wins.
 

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Dana Dahlquist said:
Let the data run out a bit.
The money list would tell a good story too.
I wonder if Grant hit it good?
Yep.
There's still the shots around the greens...and PUTTING!
 
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