Ben Doyle
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Do not comprehend your point. This is great that you are very pleased with your fluid swing and that it is efficient and works for you. My point is in regards to Hitting or Swinging and the potential misrepresentation that one is superior, better, longer or shorter than the other. That's all, no more or no less. In conclusion, I supported this fact with a source outside of TGM. This only adds to the validity of the process and Homer's work.
In your knowledge, do you believe that angled hinging is as efficient as horizontal hinging in regards to smash factor, physics, etc.?
(And, YES, we DO know that hitters CAN play with horizontal hinging and swingers vice versa, but HERE we can assume that the hitter is using angled hinging and the horizontal.......)
Yes.
As for Horizontal Hinge Action with Hitting or Swinging? If a Swinger does not have any clubface manipulation, the Hinge Action will be Horizontal. A Hitter would have Angled Hinge Action in a non-manipulated clubface stroke. This means that the Hitter then would have to make an adjustment to the machine when using a manipulated Hinge Action, such as Horizontal Hinge or put up with missing the target.
Hinging is the hand motion through impact to separation, in the truest sense, per TGM.
45 degrees after impact:
Pivot through and watch the face turn slightly. It is not quite perpendicular to the target line and not quite parallel. Somewhere in-between. FEELS like NO roll. But, DOES roll slightly. Angled hinging.
Horizontal hinging will FEEL like you ADD roll to the clubface to the amount already imparted by the torso. Clubface should be parallel to target line. TOE pointing to target.
Brian Manzella
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Go get 'em rag...
this is good!
this is good!
benhogan54
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I take support to mean "work along with". The body won't overwork or underwork this way. It blends the movement of the body and arms.
I know Kelley specialized in both, but doesn't he say that the arms and hands provide the speed and power and the body provides balance and support?
All I can do is quote what Chuck says in his articles. He talks about coming over the top being a result of the arms initiating and coming from the inside being a result of the correct sequencing. I've never met or talked to him so I can only go by his articles.
"Read ANY of the lab reports and studies on on the inertial loading in the golf swing.......sequence starts from the MIDDLE...the inside moves the outside...just like EVERY other sport."
I am interested in more on this. What exactly is the middle? Hips? Stomach? Doesn't Kelly say the most effective way is to initiate from the feet?
I know Kelley specialized in both, but doesn't he say that the arms and hands provide the speed and power and the body provides balance and support?
All I can do is quote what Chuck says in his articles. He talks about coming over the top being a result of the arms initiating and coming from the inside being a result of the correct sequencing. I've never met or talked to him so I can only go by his articles.
"Read ANY of the lab reports and studies on on the inertial loading in the golf swing.......sequence starts from the MIDDLE...the inside moves the outside...just like EVERY other sport."
I am interested in more on this. What exactly is the middle? Hips? Stomach? Doesn't Kelly say the most effective way is to initiate from the feet?
benhogan54
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Ragman,
Bear with me. I am very new to TGM and I am trying to learn. I don't have the book memorized and I haven't made my way through all of it. I am only getting the basic principals right now.
Bear with me. I am very new to TGM and I am trying to learn. I don't have the book memorized and I haven't made my way through all of it. I am only getting the basic principals right now.
Your definition of support, IMO, is the same as saying, "in concert with"...In my book, "support" = a secondary position.
The point I tried (and failed) to make was that Kelley knew physics and geometry...he wasn't a physiologist...
I believe if Mr. Kelley would have been able to witness the technology today a few things would be different.....
What you say he says would be correct, IMO.
True, from the ground up...feet first...
But, when you feel it, it's in the back muscles (the midsection is the "transfer case")...the strong trunk muscles, back, abs, obliques are key for back support...Get's the left side where it needs to be so the right side can rotate around the left side axis, ankle to shoulder blade.....
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So, transfer to the left heel and then fire the right side around that point?
Actually I have seen Toski sitting on a chair and pound out golf ball after golf ball. Distance difference between on his feet and sitting was only a few yards.
This supports the position IMO that the lower body (feet up to hips) are primarily for stabilization.
Earlier this year when Tiger played in one of the first tournaments that his gut was hurting, the weather was bad, rough tough and Tiger was in the rough quite a bit. Again supports the position IMO that middle of the body (hips to shoulders) is a biggie for the golf swing.
When these guys sit on chairs and hit balls on their knees, they are still using the 'CORE' muscles....You ever see any 'potbellied' golfers try to do this?
I just said in a previous post that the MIDSECTION was vital. I never said these muscles weren't a "biggie".
The core is the 'TRANSFER CASE'.
Ernest Jones, a teacher of some repute, and a one-legged golfer, the other being shot-off in the first catastrophe of last century, emphasised that the hands are great leaders but poor followers.
The body is there for support. It may do a lot of things but it is a terrible leader, and I maintain has not the longevity of a hands-based swing.
By the way Mr Jones was able to get around in close to par, on one leg.
The body is there for support. It may do a lot of things but it is a terrible leader, and I maintain has not the longevity of a hands-based swing.
By the way Mr Jones was able to get around in close to par, on one leg.
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