Brian Manzella
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Here is the graphic.
I will post the audio on Monday.
I will post the audio on Monday.
Ben Hogan analysis by Brian Manzella
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bantamben1
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this is a great sequence of my favorite player i cant wait to see your analysis brian
Brian Manzella
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This is the audio...but there will be more audio, because of the replies...
http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Music/hogan.mp3
http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Music/hogan.mp3
billmckinneygolf
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Brian, your graphics are right on. They say a lot in a a split second.
I might have drawn some force vectors going from his feet into the ground
at sit-down and impact.
I might have drawn some force vectors going from his feet into the ground
at sit-down and impact.
Brian Manzella
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Bill...I agree with the vectors...but that's Ben's gig and I am just making some points if you know what i mean.
if you know what i mean.
tongzilla
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Good job Brian
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Bill, what can one learn by drawing force vectors?
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Here are some thoughts from me. Please comment...
Notice how on the Downstroke, the outside of Hogan's right feet come off the ground before the heel does (as opposed to Tiger where his heel comes off straight away).
Also notice that the amount of Wrist Cock Hogan has is proportional to the amount of Right Elbow bend. The more his right elbow bends (as a result of the Checkrein Action), the greater his Accumulator #2 angle. So Cocking is not really the result of his wrist muscles itself. It's also why we see a lot of amateurs with an early release, because their right elbow straightens too soon.
There are some other reasons why Hogan was able to get such huge amount of Wrist Cock (apart from being very flexible as Brian mentioned). First, his left wrist is slightly bent at the Top. Second, his Flying Wedges are not in place -- more specifically, his right wrist is Cocked. Now before all of you start attacking me, Hogan's Flywing Wedges are perfectly assembled at Impact, with a super Flat Left Wrist and a Level Right Wrist.
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Bill, what can one learn by drawing force vectors?
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Here are some thoughts from me. Please comment...
Notice how on the Downstroke, the outside of Hogan's right feet come off the ground before the heel does (as opposed to Tiger where his heel comes off straight away).
Also notice that the amount of Wrist Cock Hogan has is proportional to the amount of Right Elbow bend. The more his right elbow bends (as a result of the Checkrein Action), the greater his Accumulator #2 angle. So Cocking is not really the result of his wrist muscles itself. It's also why we see a lot of amateurs with an early release, because their right elbow straightens too soon.
There are some other reasons why Hogan was able to get such huge amount of Wrist Cock (apart from being very flexible as Brian mentioned). First, his left wrist is slightly bent at the Top. Second, his Flying Wedges are not in place -- more specifically, his right wrist is Cocked. Now before all of you start attacking me, Hogan's Flywing Wedges are perfectly assembled at Impact, with a super Flat Left Wrist and a Level Right Wrist.
Archie Swivel
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Brandel Chamblee from the Golf Channel said last night that Hogan had a single plane swing and that he came slightly over the top. Anybody see that?
birdie_man
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Love it Brian.
So....flat left wrist at Impact....but continues to arch it even past Impact....cool- didn't know that. I guess that's why he was so good eh. Face is always open too.
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BTW....got any short iron sequences Brian? His swing looks so fast sometimes for a Swinger....I dunno how he does it really....keeps lag (I totally lose it when I get quick), gets the face (his is open too) closed and all that...
Like this one:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=804&highlight=hogan+iron
So....flat left wrist at Impact....but continues to arch it even past Impact....cool- didn't know that. I guess that's why he was so good eh. Face is always open too.
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BTW....got any short iron sequences Brian? His swing looks so fast sometimes for a Swinger....I dunno how he does it really....keeps lag (I totally lose it when I get quick), gets the face (his is open too) closed and all that...
Like this one:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=804&highlight=hogan+iron
Brian Manzella
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Tell Brandel Chamblue to go be a weather man.
jpvegas1
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Brian:
Great analysis. I spoke with Claude Harmon III, Butch's son, about Hogan's swing. He told me that his Father and grandfather told him that Hogan had extrememly flexible wrists and there is no way the average person could attain that degree of wrist cock on the downswing. He said it might be good to strive for that, but unless physically gifted there is no way to attain it.[^]
Great analysis. I spoke with Claude Harmon III, Butch's son, about Hogan's swing. He told me that his Father and grandfather told him that Hogan had extrememly flexible wrists and there is no way the average person could attain that degree of wrist cock on the downswing. He said it might be good to strive for that, but unless physically gifted there is no way to attain it.[^]
David Alford
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<Second, his Flying Wedges are not in place -- more specifically, his right wrist is Cocked.>
Please define flying wedges and explain why they are not in place.
btw, Brian, the right leg is flexed at the top of the swing. Front on, it looks semistraight, but trust me,
Hogan retained rt. leg flex by this time in his career.
Please define flying wedges and explain why they are not in place.
btw, Brian, the right leg is flexed at the top of the swing. Front on, it looks semistraight, but trust me,
Hogan retained rt. leg flex by this time in his career.
Love the analysis Brian, one of the best I've ever seen. I particularly like slide ten. I had no idea he maintained that much right wrist bend post impact.
I also think Tongzilla's comment "It's also why we see a lot of amateurs with an early release, because their right elbow straightens too soon"
is a great point. I have to make it a focus to not straighten my right elbow too early in the swing. When I do, I have a tendency to hit leakage hooks. I believe a lot of players would be better off focusing on keeping that right arm under the left at impact.
I also think Tongzilla's comment "It's also why we see a lot of amateurs with an early release, because their right elbow straightens too soon"
is a great point. I have to make it a focus to not straighten my right elbow too early in the swing. When I do, I have a tendency to hit leakage hooks. I believe a lot of players would be better off focusing on keeping that right arm under the left at impact.
David Alford
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Sorry, this type of analysis is not very helpful. Brian is analzying consequences, not actions. Almost anyone can look at a golfer's sequence and point on what an elbow, arm, wrist or leg is doing. What causes the positions is another matter.
Perhaps Brian will follow up by analyzing the "actions". If you know the "actions", you should be able
to replicate Mr. Hogan's swing. This is where David Leadbetter and others have failed. There certainly is a lot of misinformation
and superficial analysis of Mr. Hogan's swing.
In another venue, I'll give what everyone wants.
Perhaps Brian will follow up by analyzing the "actions". If you know the "actions", you should be able
to replicate Mr. Hogan's swing. This is where David Leadbetter and others have failed. There certainly is a lot of misinformation
and superficial analysis of Mr. Hogan's swing.
In another venue, I'll give what everyone wants.
birdie_man
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I wanna hear what Brian thinks...
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