Ben Hogan analysis by Brian Manzella

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quote:Originally posted by David Alford

Let me continue this line of reasoning. So far, I have not found a single Golfing Machine concept that I did not understand or already know. What I don't know is the terminology, such as "flying wedges", etc. because these are simply his definitions.

The essence of good instruction is not to try to make things mystical or complex, but to make them understandable and doable.
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No one is trying to make anything mystical or complex, as far as I can see.

You have to know what needs to be done before you can do it, as far as I know (unless you happen to pick up a club and do it by fluke- you could call it gifted, or w/e...but even then, you'd figure out the basic mechanics of what you were doing, after a while).

You can say it's easy because you have done your research and CAN hit a ball (I assume). Of course it's easy when you have it figured out....
 
birdie_man

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quote:Originally posted by diggerdog

What David is trying to say that everyone here has missed is that Ben Hogan was hung like a race horse.
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Ya, that's what I was thinking too digger (uh....).

lol.

Maybe it adds some momentum to his swing....

....no?? no??? [8D]
 
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to answer the above question "how do you not run out of right arm"...all you have to do better is "sit and tilt"......your knees slightly separate as you push harder into the ground, you slide pressure over to your front hip socket and keep your head steady to create more secondary tilt...
 
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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

"On the other hand . . . I would be very interested in hearing about the antecedents to the Imperatives."

"You said that Hogan has the antecedents to the 3 Imperatives. I am certainly open to knowing what they are particularly if they are simple."

Don't hold your breath!
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What did Moe, Hogan and Homer all agree on? What did Knudson learn from Hogan?

That the MOTION is always BALANCED (see 12-3 item 1 and 45)

"Support the on plane swinging force in BALANCE" - Ed Zilavy
 
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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

"On the other hand . . . I would be very interested in hearing about the antecedents to the Imperatives."

"You said that Hogan has the antecedents to the 3 Imperatives. I am certainly open to knowing what they are particularly if they are simple."

Don't hold your breath!
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I meant don't hold your breath waiting for David Alford to tell you what these antecedents are. He's already said that he isn't giving it up. [xx(]

What did Moe, Hogan and Homer all agree on? What did Knudson learn from Hogan?

That the MOTION is always BALANCED (see 12-3 item 1 and 45)

"Support the on plane swinging force in BALANCE" - Ed Zilavy
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I''ll reveal everything, but not on a forum where I was grossly and biasedly attacked for having the courage to point out an analysis by Homer Kelly was flawed.

Well, wait a second. I'm not really p@#@ed off that much anymore...The truth is, the answers deserve the format of a book, not a quick one liner that no one would appreciate. It has to be done right. And that's what I intend to do.

In the meantime, HK studied Hogan. TGM is said to be all inclusive. Maybe you will find it there.
 
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quote:Originally posted by David Alford

I''ll reveal everything, but not on a forum where I was grossly and biasedly attacked for having the courage to point out an analysis by Homer Kelly was flawed.

Well, wait a second. I'm not really p@#@ed off that much anymore...The truth is, the answers deserve the format of a book, not a quick one liner that no one would appreciate. It has to be done right. And that's what I intend to do.

In the meantime, HK studied Hogan. TGM is said to be all inclusive. Maybe you will find it there.
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Can't wait to see it David. I like to read anything on Hogan.

I wouldn't think too much of ppl attacking you- if that's what happened (not too sure what your history here is)....

...all I can say is anyone who comes out with a very strong opinion had better expect some kind of turbulance. Going against the grain is never easy.

BTW for the record....there's a difference between debating vs. arguing.....and also between questioning an opinion and attacking a person.
 
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Think some of the antecedents were: all those years of practice..having superior motor skills..having the best pivot ever...practicing those great wrist conditions with knock downs..the open clubs..the blacksmith hand and forearm strength...the strong change of direction and the "candy cane" hip action...
or maybe he thought he knew the secret and was just like the rest of us..today's secret vs. yesterday's secrets..
And his psychological profile would be at least as important to his success..
might have been the OCD.
Come on, David, just give us a hint. Pleeease.
 
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Imho, the only secret Hogan had, if any, was his thoughts. His actions are definitely not secret, since we can see what he was doing. However, what was in his mind before and during the stroke is an unknown.
 
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quote:Originally posted by billmckinneygolf

...practicing those great wrist conditions with knock downs..the open clubs..
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Bill,

Good post! Could you expand a bit on the above? I think this is something we a could benefit from.

Regards,

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quote:Originally posted by Biffer

Imho, the only secret Hogan had, if any, was his thoughts. His actions are definitely not secret, since we can see what he was doing. However, what was in his mind before and during the stroke is an unknown.
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That's a good point too....I've heard he was equally obsessive (or thorough, w/e you wanna call it) about his "mental game" as he was with his swing.

I'd believe it too...to play to that caliber.

Same thing with Moe Norman....I remember seeing some of his personal notes on golf.....90% of it was mental.
 
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It's not an IQ thing. It's perfect details and what BillMcKinney has said very well.

Wolfman, I intend to set aside 6 mos. in late 2006 to do it. So, sometime 2007.
I was going to do it this year, but ended up searching for the thylacine in Tasmania.
Go figure.
 
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Off topic, but I met a farmer who claims to have seen several in recent yrs. He has some evidence, and I believe him and his wife.
In addition to this area, I flew over much of Tasmania and have identified three areas where I will continue the search this year. I think the thylacine still exists, but in very low numbers. Perhaps a few hundred individuals. Getting a a pic is a hard task, no one has done it in the last 60 yrs. Like golf, I'm drawn to difficult challenges. The thylacine is a big thing in TAS, everyone seems to be preoccupied with it.
 
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Brian,
i was wondering if you still have your commentary to this analysis - the audio link just goes to the main forum.
 
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Use this, get rid of the spaces

homepage. mac. com/ brianmanzella /.Music/hogan.m p 3
 
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