Best ball striker?

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Every winter for the past 4 I've read the shortgame bible front to back just to refresh and after just starting it again I was reminded of some interesting research.Dave used to follow pro's around(for a few years) and record how far of a shot they were hitting and write down how far away the ball landed. Say you hit a 100 yard shot and it landed 5 yards away you had a pei(percentage error index) of 5 percent.All pro's were within 5 to 9 percent and interresting enough the best ballstrikers were not at the top of the money list. The guys at the top had the lowest pei's in the shortgame(100 yards and in).
But actually I got off track here, the point of the thread was that of the hundreds of pro's he recorded the best ballstriker was none other than Lee Trevino that had a full swing pei of 5.02 percent followed by a guy named Allen Miller at 5.06 and he didn't say it but implied that Tom Weiskopf was third.
As far as Mac goes maybe he was one of the best ballstrikers ever but you know what, it doesn't matter because shortgame brings home the money.
 
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Mo Norman is the top of my list...
He once played a full season and hit 17 F'sIR and 17 G'sIR on every round....
That record will take some beating...
 
nice the thing i heard about moe was that he was really short though ive heard some pros say they can hit there 4 iron down a fairway as far as moe hit his driver. My father in law is a 15 hadicapper and is pretty short about 220 off the tee he hits like about 90 percent of the fairways and actually alot of greens on some of the shorter 6400 length courses but i woud never say he is a good ballstriker have him play the 7000 yd course i play and he cant even get to alot of greeens in two even though he is really straight. If you look at the stats length as a lot to do with accuracy it is very rare a player is long and straight. Or even short and crooked most of the short guys that make it on tour have to be pretty accurate.
 

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maybe my memory plaing up.....or maybe just a rumour....:D

Maybe he layed up on a couple of the par three's, although then he couldn't have hit 17 girs!!!

They could be counting fairways on par 5 second shots.

todd
 
Regardless of the stats, anyone who has actually seen Moe in action and read what he didn't see knows his astonishing accuracy and control and ball striking. I witnessed him in person several times. Mindless genius: a true savant or close to it. Used the same tee for 20 years...never addressed the BALL, but laid his club down two feet behind it. His scoring records are available and speak a lot - several 59s? Courses are longer now than 40 years ago, yes so he would not do so great at 7000 yards. And his putting may not have been the same perfect golf as his ball striking.
 
He was not that short by the era standards 240-250, another Canuck that I had the pleasure of playing with not that long before his death was as good as anyone that played , George Knudson, he was amazing , if he was a better putter he would have been hard to beat, TIM
 
here's the info I have on him....

Moe Norman:
1). Moe and George Knudson use to practice together a lot. They did not putt. They just kept track of fairways hit, green hit in regulation, and flag sticks hit. It cost $20 every time you missed a fairway or a green and you received $100 for each flag stick hit. Moe hit 6 one day.
2). Moe has hit 3 flag sticks in a row, all outside a five iron.
3). In 1966 Moe played in 12 Canadian PGA Tournaments. He won five and he came in second five times. He averaged 17 fairways and 17 greens in regulation. He had a scoring average of 68 strokes around, the lowest single year stroke average of any one to ever play the game.
4). In the 50's, Moe was practicing on the range when Ben Hogan was practicing. He asked Mr. Hogan if he would watch him hit some shots because he had heard that Mr. Hogan had said that a straight shot is an accident. Moe hit the first shot and said to Hogan, " There's an accident.". Moe hit the second shot and said, " There's another accident." After about 45 ball with same result, Mr. Hogan walked up to Moe and said, "Son, just keep hitting those accidents."
5). Moe has 17 holes in one.
6). Moe had 3 holes in one in one day. In the late 1950's, Moe would play 54 to 72 holes a day. One particular day including 54 holes, Moe had a hole in one each round, the longest being a 3 wood and the shortest a 6 iron.
7). One hole in one of note came after Moe had lost a tournament the week before with a four putt on the 18 hole. A reporter caught up with Moe on the 11 hole, 245 yard par 3. As Moe was about to hit, the reporter yelled out, "Hey, Moe, doing any 4 putting today." Moe hit his driver and turn around while the ball was still in the air and said, "Not putting today." The ball went into the hole.
7). Moe has over 40 course records, 3 with scores of 59 and 4 with scores of 61. He shot his last 59 at the age of 62 at the Rockway Golf Club in Kitchner, Ontario, Canada.
8). Moe has always entertained when he played golf. On one of the course records, he needed a par on the last hole to set the record. He had never played the course and asked the professional accompanying him what club should be used. The professional answered that is was usually a driver and a 9 iron. So, Moe hit the 9 iron first and then he hit the driver within 10 feet and sank the putt for a birdie.
9). In a round with Sam Snead, there was a hole that had a creek about 240 yard from the hole, and every one else laid up in front of the creek. Moe pulled out the driver and Snead said, " Moe you can't clear the creek with a driver." Moe replied, " Not trying to. I'm going across the bridge." The ball rolled across the bridge.
10). Lloyd Tucker was Moe's first instructor. He gave Moe a club and told him when he could hit it to let him know and he would take a look at his swing. When he first saw Moe swing, he did not try to change his swing. He warned Moe against others because his swing was different. Tucker recognized ball striking ability and did not mess with Moe mechanics.
11). Moe had a three shot lead going into the 18 hole of tournament. The other two players were discussing great sand players as they were walking up the 18 fairway and Moe's name was not mentioned. Moe's second shot was about 3 feet from the pin. When the players arrived on the green, Moe hit his ball into the trap, blasted to within 3 feet, sank the putt, won the tournament, and walked up to the other two players and said, " I'm the best sand player you've every seen and my name goes on the top of your list."
12). Moe, and many amateurs sold there prizes for money. Moe would sell the prizes before the tournament started. On five occasions, the person did not want first prize, but second prize. Moe came in second five times on purpose. He had to be one less than the winner and one better than third.
13). For practice, before the start of the tournament, at 6 A.M. in the morning, at Tomoka Oaks course in Daytona Beach, Moe hit six balls off the first tee. Ken Venning, a professional friend showed up soon after and saw that three balls were touching and three others were close by.
14). Moe turned 50 in 1979 and won the next seven Canadian Professional Golfer's Association senior championships. He came in 2nd in number 8 and won the 9th by 8 strokes.

MO NORMAN

Number of courses played: 434"
"Number of courses I can remember the exact hole yardages: 375"
"Age when I saw my first doctor: 68"
"Most balls hit in one day: 2,207"
"Total balls hit in my lifetime: About 5 million, not counting chips and putts."

"Hold the club in the palms, not the fingers. How do tennis players hold a tennis racket? In the palm. How do you hold a baseball bat? In the palms. Everyday items-an ax, a hammer-are held in the palms. They're the most sensitive parts of your body. Why would you want to hold a golf club in your fingers? It'll move all over the place!"
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Norman switched to his driver. Once again, the swing was the same. If you watched only his arms and hands, you wouldn't know that he wasn't still swinging his wedge. After hitting one ball, he would watch it a moment, then bend over and place another on the tee--and I mean place it. The tee never came out of the ground. In fact, it didn't move a millimeter.

"I hit balls, not tees," he explained.
On a driving range once, he hit 131 drives in a row from the same tee without having to straighten or adjust it. In tournaments, he sometimes entertained galleries by hitting drives from the mouth of the bottle of Coke he had just been drinking.
After he had been hitting drives awhile, a friend of his asked if he could try. The friend took Norman's driver and placed a ball on Norman's tee. The shot wasn't too bad, but the tee came out of the ground and tumbled into the long grass 20 feet ahead.
"Oh, dear, I loved that tee," Norman said wistfully. "I had it for seven years."
 

Jim Kobylinski

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I wonder how many of those things are stories that have gotten out of hand. A lot of them i know of and have heard of myself but others just seem a bit too good to be true.

Especially about the balls "touching."
 
Ya...or using a tee for 20 years or w/e.

I don't get that one man......was it made of steel?

Either that or he hit a lot of thin shots......no? (or maybe tiny tiny shallow faced clubhead)
 

Jared Willerson

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If you look at stats from the last 10 years or so, the name Joe Durant is always near the top of the ball striking stats.

To me, that is what makes a good ball striker, at or near the top in all of the ball striking categories; total driving, greens in reg, proximity to the hole from 200+ yards, etc.
 
Pelz listed both O'Grady and Moe Norman

Putting Bible. page 3
Worlds best ballstrikers (according to pelz): Moe Norman, Ben Hogan, Lee Trevino, Tom Wieskopf, Tom Purtzer, Johnny Miller, and Tiger Woods.

Short Game Bible. Page 33
"My personal list of all time best full swingers to play the game includes Ben Hogan, Lee Trevino, Mac O'Grady, Tom Purtzer, Tom Weiskopf, and two canadians Moe Norman and the late George Knudson."
 
Vijay and Davis Love should be pretty high on the list, especially since length is part of ball striking.

That's a good sleeper pick with Joe Durant I think. He was about 10 feet from almost every pin late in the season this year. He's a guy who can really get it stuck on automatic. A remarkably flat left wrist too if my memory serves me correctly.
 
My dad was fortunate enough to caddy for Knudson when Knudson and DeViscenzo played the Shell's Wonderful World of Golf match at St. Charles Country Club in Winnipeg, Manitoba. He has often told me the story of shagging balls for Knudson on the range, and never having to move more than one step in any direction to get a ball. He said that the way Knudson could control a ball was phenomenal.

Mr. Hogan has also said that no one swung the golf club more like Hogan himself than Knudson.

Stew
 
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