Best ball striker?

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Perfect Impact

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The shaft of the club should be parallel to the target line IF it is parallel to the ground. On the way up, it will be pointed to the left of the target, if it passes parallel it will be pointed to the RIGHT of the target. The butt end will either be pointed at the plane line or pretty close to it except when it is releasing and the OTHER end of the shaft points there.
 
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In the video footage I have of Moe, he does not hit every ball dead straight. He also tells his audience he's there to hit the ball, not the tee & on the very next shot, he hits the tee.

Jack K. told me Moe's variance on his average drives of 240-260 yds. was ten yds. left/ten yds. right = 20 yds. total dispersal on average. He's not the only one who can do that.

I met one golfer who played with Moe and said he was really good, but it wasn't like he was hitting every shot perfect. Just one person's opinion & I'm not saying he wasn't impressive.

My personal opinion is GREG Norman probably could have hit the ball as consistently straight if he was shorter and/or cut his clubs down a few inches/had a shorter swing, etc.

I do think Moe may have been a Savant Genius, but as I understand that phenomenon, it has never applied to coordination skills, rather to other abilities such as calculational ability, memorizing, etc.

According to Moe, he played Hogan several times. Would have been interesting to see how they respectively fared.
 
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David: I have to believe his savant genius had a great deal to do with his swing consistency: of course I don't know. But the capacity of focus, intense single minded, precise detailed thinking is related, IMO.
 
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I agree. The guy practiced until his hands bled. My guess is he did a fair bit of practicing and experimenting.

And so do lots of people I guess.

What's the difference? Dunno.
 
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Doesn't seem to be any other Savants in sports...Moe may have been primed to repetitively hit balls (at an extreme level of devotion), but so are are a fair number of other people.

Therefore, I'm not sure there is a huge relation to his being a Savant. Consider the many great ballstrikers that weren't (Hogan, Trevino, Nelson, Tiger, etc.).

Some people just like to focus on getting good at one particular thing and don't vary much. I know a lot of great Spanish guitarists who fit that mode, but there are many other examples in sports. E.g., Howard Hill, the famous archery master who could make make "impossible" shots...or were they, afterall?

Magic is usually explainable...

In Moe's case...the short backswing is central to his results. I highly recommend it. It's more important than the "one plane" stuff, which is a sideshow.
 
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David Alford said:
Doesn't seem to be any other Savants in sports...Moe may have been primed to repetitively hit balls (at an extreme level of devotion), but so are are a fair number of other people.

Therefore, I'm not sure there is a huge relation to his being a Savant. Consider the many great ballstrikers that weren't (Hogan, Trevino, Nelson, Tiger, etc.).

Some people just like to focus on getting good at one particular thing and don't vary much. I know a lot of great Spanish guitarists who fit that mode, but there are many other examples in sports. E.g., Howard Hill, the famous archery master who could make make "impossible" shots...or were they, afterall?

Magic is usually explainable...

In Moe's case...the short backswing is central to his results. I highly recommend it. It's more important than the "one plane" stuff, which is a sideshow.
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David, is YOUR pattern hitting?
 
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birdie_man said:
I agree. The guy practiced until his hands bled. My guess is he did a fair bit of practicing and experimenting.

And so do lots of people I guess.

What's the difference? Dunno.
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The difference is that the other people don't have most of the top pros agreeing they are one of the best ball strikers that ever lived...
 
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David Alford

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shortgamer, there are three models I like about equally. 1) Hogan. 2) A hitting model. 3) A variation of 2).

IMO, the latter two offer the best hope for the average golfer. My results are viritually identical with all three.

Hitting models are a little easier because the average golfer finds it very difficult to have their lower body control the swing. However, there are reasons why this is so & fortunately, there are solutions.

One test I put some importance to...if I haven't practiced for awhile and I use driver with absolutely no warm up, I have a little harder time hitting that first ball perfect with Hogan's swing than I do with the hitting models.

I mean, you're supposed to warm up with a few short wedges, etc., but I use hitting the driver on the very first shot as something of a test as to the quality of the model. Of course, there is the human element...day to day variance.

Still, I expect that first shot to be perfect & if it's not, I am hugely disappointed. Even if I'm really stiff, should I hit a gopher type of shot, I will be seriously traumatized for the rest of the day...
 
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Nudgeynudgey.

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BTW David I'm the opposite...don't really care about the first shot....but I ain't leavin the range on a bad shot....I'll ask someone else if I can have a ball until I hit a good one. (or two)
 
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