shortgamer
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Best ball striker?
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Just a misunderstanding
Perfect Impacts original post was "do we have any video of knudson hitting". You did not say hitting BALLS, that is what confused me. I thought you meant he used two different procedures during his carreer, an honest mistake especially in a forum which is primarily golfing machine based. This topic has gotten too far off track.
Perfect Impacts original post was "do we have any video of knudson hitting". You did not say hitting BALLS, that is what confused me. I thought you meant he used two different procedures during his carreer, an honest mistake especially in a forum which is primarily golfing machine based. This topic has gotten too far off track.
bantamben2
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hey goerge are you a golf instructor.
Right you are kebeal. Gotten a bit off track. But can't get too far off track when rekindling friendships.
Knudson seemed to use a lagging clubhead takeaway that seem popular in those days. I use it because it is more consistant and takes less manual dexterity. Do you think this may contribute to his wonderful ballstriking?
birdie_man
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'Ere:
http://www.historicgolf.com/page_seqphotos2.cfm?photoid=6508&start=1&startcountpages=1
Too bad can't find more video...nice to see it in motion.....but there she is.
http://www.historicgolf.com/page_seqphotos2.cfm?photoid=6508&start=1&startcountpages=1
Too bad can't find more video...nice to see it in motion.....but there she is.
Perfect Impact
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Kebeal: Your comment above makes absolute perfect sense: my request was simply to see if any clips were available to see of his swing, and I used the word "hitting" without remembering the distinction between hitting and swinging--the confusion is totally understandable. I bet that if Brian and this DB were steeped in TGM terms as a rule I would have thought of that and been clearer.
BB2: yes I am.
I very much do not want that mine, or anyone else's WORDS be thought to carry implications that don't exist. Tis the season to be courteous, etc., and the season for humility and genuine respect happens to run from Thanksgiving of a given year through the day AFTER Thanksgiving of the next year.
Happy Hannukah, Christmas, ........[please fill in any others] to all. So far I haven't seen these words on the "banned" list...
BB2: yes I am.
I very much do not want that mine, or anyone else's WORDS be thought to carry implications that don't exist. Tis the season to be courteous, etc., and the season for humility and genuine respect happens to run from Thanksgiving of a given year through the day AFTER Thanksgiving of the next year.
Happy Hannukah, Christmas, ........[please fill in any others] to all. So far I haven't seen these words on the "banned" list...
ChrisSorenson
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Here's a 45 second clip
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StewartBannatyne
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Mr Inconsistent
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Would you say he does a mini over the top motion? A lot of great players have done this. Have you seen Bobby Jones swing from down the line? It's amazing how far inside he takes the club going back, then he reroutes it back "over the top" into a great downswing plane. A very popular move in the older days, maybe more natural. When I say over the top in this context I mean from too flat to on plane, not a steep above plane move. It's like a reverse Fred Couples/Nick Price/Trevino move.
http://www.beauproductions.com/golfswingsws/bobbyjones/index1.html
http://www.beauproductions.com/golfswingsws/bobbyjones/index1.html
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birdie_man
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Yup a little "OTT"....like Hogan, Snead, Moe Norman, BJ, etc.
(for what it's worth?)
(for what it's worth?)
Thanks Chris,
I now stand corrected............no LCT........wonder what I was seeing before???
Mr Inconsistent
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It's certainly worth mentioning considering nobody really ever talks about it or teaches it. It seemed to be a hugely popular move until about the 1980s. I wonder if it's better to have a slightly different plane going back and through instead of the same for both. And also if going from flat to on plane is better than steep to on plane.
Perfect Impact
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On-plane to on-plane is best. To find on-plane for the backswing so that there is a quiet top, a no-fooling around motion in the transition, you have to have the shaft pointing from target line up through the right shoulder as you rise and as your route TO the top. Your grip must also be such that it does not cause the shaft to get bumped anywhere off from this quiet position. Look at Tiger's top-of-swing transition. Pure perfection: no loop, nuttin!
birdie_man
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So....
If that is BEST!....then Hogan, Snead, Knudson, Moe Norman, Bobby Jones, etc...were doin it wrong?
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BTW no pro golfer that I've ever seen has done a Zero Shift.
If that is BEST!....then Hogan, Snead, Knudson, Moe Norman, Bobby Jones, etc...were doin it wrong?
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BTW no pro golfer that I've ever seen has done a Zero Shift.
Perfect Impact
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Best-- an ideal in theory. Best for a golfer is what is personally best for him. If his procedure is only 99.95% perfect, well, he won't even break 80?
I really do believe it you can achieve it it IS better to acquire an absolutely quiet top as I described it.
I really do believe it you can achieve it it IS better to acquire an absolutely quiet top as I described it.
bantamben2
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goerge why dont you post a video of yourself swinging the way you are describing it sounds like you are teaching the move that has been popular the last few years, alot of tour players are starting to go away from this though.
Perfect Impact
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Will do: I'm struggling at the moment with the process of the videoing and then uploading it. Need a couple days.
But understand that by "quiet top" I am describing a no-wobble, no stress on the shaft top-of-swing position, where the club goes up, reverses direction, and seamlessly returns to the ball without a diversion. Where there is no disruption or abrupt movement to some other orientation. UP, BACK, like a playground swing, nothing whacky...--I'm not saying there won't be some plane shift! That is pretty common: but it is not a violent change of direction but a simple flattening that naturally evolves, as distinguished by the SHAFT changing ITS plane - twirling...for lack of a better word. The shaft angle relative to the ground pretty much remains the same from top down until impact.
But understand that by "quiet top" I am describing a no-wobble, no stress on the shaft top-of-swing position, where the club goes up, reverses direction, and seamlessly returns to the ball without a diversion. Where there is no disruption or abrupt movement to some other orientation. UP, BACK, like a playground swing, nothing whacky...--I'm not saying there won't be some plane shift! That is pretty common: but it is not a violent change of direction but a simple flattening that naturally evolves, as distinguished by the SHAFT changing ITS plane - twirling...for lack of a better word. The shaft angle relative to the ground pretty much remains the same from top down until impact.
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Mr Inconsistent
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So at the top you favor the club pointing left of parallel to the target line I assume which would keep it in line with the shaft or shoulder plane? Even with a driver? And like you mentioned, the shift of the downswing will have a flattening effect so it seems a little bit hard to quantify what "the same plane" is. A quiet transition always seems like a good idea to me as well.
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