Blocks...but with a fade divot?

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tennisdu

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I have been playing great the last month, then rain hit and two weeks of no golf. Played on the course yesterday and was hitting blocks, like Tiger Woods blocks.

I know it's an underplane issue which has been my issue in the past, but my questions is I was hitting blocks/push with divots pointing way left of the target (I am right handed)? Divots that should signify a fade. That just doesn't compute, I need to get on trackman. Can somebody explain this?
 
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It sounds like the underplane swipe that Kevin has talked a lot about. It's a problem of mine too. The hands go out, the clubhead comes under, and then you drag it left in order to hit the ball first. The ball starts right because the face is open from working under it.

You could also be getting some goofy ballflights from not hitting the sweetspot since you hadn't played in two weeks.
 
tennisdu

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When you say swipe, do you mean that the club is flipping?

I am far from flipping, I probably over lean the shaft at times. I guess I need to either get my takeaway less in and/or get more carry.
 
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Kevin Shields

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lookingtolearn said:
It sounds like the underplane swipe that Kevin has talked a lot about. It's a problem of mine too. The hands go out, the clubhead comes under, and then you drag it left in order to hit the ball first. The ball starts right because the face is open from working under it.

You could also be getting some goofy ballflights from not hitting the sweetspot since you hadn't played in two weeks.
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YES!!
 
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I don't know if it always leads to a flip. You'd have to ask Kevin that, as he is the expert on it.

Of course, it may not be the problem at all. I was just taking a stab at it from the info you gave (underplane, divots left, ball right). If it is the problem though, more carry could actually make it worse.
 
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Kevin Shields

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tennisdu said:
When you say swipe, do you mean that the club is flipping?

I am far from flipping, I probably over lean the shaft at times. I guess I need to either get my takeaway less in and/or get more carry.
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Too much lean? Handle is working in a dragged fashion too much left, leaving the face open. Watch Soft Draw.
 
Steve Khatib

Steve Khatib

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You need some tumble and toss re: 'Soft Draw Pattern' to allow the club swing out more and then inward and past you pivot after impact.
 
tennisdu

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Can you explain the tumble...have heard the term around the forum but never truly understood what it is?

I will rewatch Soft Draw...my shaft lean has been better of late..

Just a little backround info as I have been trying to work on keeping the clubface more square on the backswing as I tend to open it pretty good in the backswing (ala Rod Pampling)...also getting a more inside hand path as I tend to have some pop out...not sure if that makes sense...You can watch my swing in my sig, although it not super recent

Maybe I will load a video of a recent swing...if only it would stop raining and I didn't have to work so much...
 
tennisdu

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Just some of the pieces, not everything. I guess you can say I am mixing and matching depending on what gets me the results I want. It's been the pattern with the lowest maintence for me personally.

I don't play as often as I like so I am just trying to find a swing I can repeat without much practice or any lessons (have only take 3 lesson total). It's weird when I don't play for a while or see my swing on camera it reverts back to my old swing so fast.

I still like a lot of Brian's stuff, you just might not see it in my swing. I have been asking him to come to Cali so I can get a lesson!
 
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Jared Willerson

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lookingtolearn said:
It sounds like the underplane swipe that Kevin has talked a lot about. It's a problem of mine too. The hands go out, the clubhead comes under, and then you drag it left in order to hit the ball first. The ball starts right because the face is open from working under it.

You could also be getting some goofy ballflights from not hitting the sweetspot since you hadn't played in two weeks.
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I feel you on this. The hands go left, causing you to swing more left. But when the hands go out you are in effect swinging on a steeper plane. Face is open...block/wipe city

How about this...the left wrist isn't uncocked downward enough. Check Toms at impact, left wrist is cocked as downward as possible and the right forearm is supporting.

You basically have 2 problems...shifting out to a steeper plane (let's say from elbow to turned shoulder), and you can't uncock your wrists enough downward enough , so you drag the handle left (because if you didn't, welcome to the hosel) and now you have weaker wedges into impact, costing a lot of clubface control.

A familiar problem.
 
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Kevin Shields

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Its actually a more shallow plane. The hands get dragged horizontally and the club gets backed under to find the bottom, hence the swipe. But I know what you mean. Whenever I do it, the vertical swing plane is lower.
 
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Kevin Shields

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Yeah, thats surely one way to do it. Ive been guilty. When you get back to PA, bring up some old swings of mine and it should stick out fairly obvious.
 
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but thats the year you beat everybody's brains in; shot 61 on the Links, won 6 times ?, and qualified for the 84 Classic. hmmm...
 
tennisdu

tennisdu

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Kevin I would love to see a comparison between your old and new swing. Maybe add an analysis of what you changes and why it's better.

I did shank a few before at the range before my round... I guess I was lagging the hosel????

Hmmm maybe I can do the right forefinger and thumb off the club drill...my bane has always been underplane...
 
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lookingtolearn

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tennisdu said:
Kevin I would love to see a comparison between your old and new swing. Maybe add an analysis of what you changes and why it's better.

I did shank a few before at the range before my round... I guess I was lagging the hosel????

Hmmm maybe I can do the right forefinger and thumb off the club drill...my bane has always been underplane...
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tennisdu,

The fix, as Kevin has explained in the past, is to stay closed in the transition, keep the hands in as they work down, and turn/tumble the sweetspot toward the ball. Try for a vertical left arm at last parallel.

A Soft Draw backswing can be very helpful with setting this up.

The forefinger and thumb off drill that you mentioned could help too, as it should help you stand the club up a little more in the downswing.
 
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