BLOG: The Jury is In. TrackMan Greatest Teaching Advancement Ever - by Brian Manzella

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cmartingolf

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dannyc said:
what is this?!?!?
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I just saw the matrix. Very cool. Basically it is a test of direction and distance control over a set number of targets ranging form 40 - 180 yards (I'm going off memory). They measure driver distance and accuracy too. The data is compiled from ALL users via internet upload and you know how you stack up against everyone and anyone who took the test.

YOU CANT HIDE FROM THIS TEST.

It's the ultimate ball strikers test.

Awesome. I couldn't imagine playing serious golf without it. You would have your distance control dialed.
 
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twitch, why dont you think zeroing out for a straight shot would sell any copies?
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Because the truths hurts Kevin. People want a magic cure, a "secret" or a "tip" that won the masters. If you tell people that the "secret" is just a more neutral path and clubface angle and a small delta between the two, they will turn away. They will be like....is that it! It's like a weight loss company telling a customer to eat healthy and take regular exercise, it's the truth and it will work but it's hard work and there's no magic bullet/ |Remember I'm talking about selling copies of a golf magazine not giving a student the best advice possible to help their golf game - They are two different animals.

If you found a way to "sex it up" then it might sell but selling the truth aint easy! People buying those mags want a quick fix

28k I believe
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There not that much now are they Kevin?
 
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softconsult

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This is what I don't get. If I were a golf instructor, and was trying to grow my business, I would view it as a monthly expense. What does it cost to finance 30K for say 5 years? 500 -600 per month 'ish.

Next question is whether the market will actually bear an upcharge per hour for the use of Trackman. If no, then how many additional hours of instruction will this machine bring to me. Another question might be this. If this thing helps me fix students quicker and better, then am I actually causing billable hours to decline?

The fact that there are so few of these units around has to be more than just the affordability aspect.

I have experienced Trackman during a Driver fitting. I would love to spend some time on a machine, even without any advise from an instructor. My session did not have the voice prompting turned on, but I picture it as similar to my GPS. Unfortunately, there are none that I am aware of within less than 4 - 5 hours of my location. Looks like I am going to have to do a road trip to Louisville.
 
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mb6606

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Brian,
What are your new numbers with a 7i,5i and driver? Can't be all zero's???
How about posting a video of your new swing??
thanks
 
Steve Greffen

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Kevin Shields said:
They maintain never, ever, ever.
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That's all well and good...but you know, when they have had all that the market will bear at that price...something has got to give...unless they believe that no one (NO ONE) will be able to copy or match their capabilities and/or that they have a viable business model (support $$??) that will keep them profitable in the future.

To me it is unfortunate that guys like Brian, who have the knowledge and capabilities to really transform this technology to the next level have been shut out due to only price consideration (until now of course!!). Of course when guys like Kevin can get their hands on it and in turn share it with guys like Brian, we all gain from their insight (and Kevin, your insight and knowledge has been great!).

Not that anyone would give a hoot but I hope that there are things in the system that command the price they are charging and not that the company has chosen this pricing scheme for profit considerations only.

Just my own little thoughts...of course if I were the company I would tell all my customers that have already paid the top dollar that there was no way the price was going to go down!

Steve Greffen

BTW Thanks to Kevin, Brian and all the others that have invested their hard earned money into this great technology...I for one will benefit in many ways because of their choices.
 
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James Marshall (Hogan1953)

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Brian Manzella said:
Thanks Kev.

Lessons are very easy, but of course, to me they were fairly easy before.

But they ARE easier.

Trust me, NOBODIES eyes are this good, and NOBODIES camera or cameras makes it much better.

As far as practicing on the machine, folks are walking up to me and watching me hit balls at "the Turn."

Never happened before.



Adjust the path first for everyone but the cold slicer.



I'll always be ahead of the pack.

Everyone else has something keeping them from keeping up. :D



It is a great starting paragraph, isn't it?

Did you see the mess that soft Haagan Daz made?

MANZELLA PET PEEVE #4 - Overly soft ice cream. :mad:



Thanks.

I am the King of Analogies. ;)



The PGA Tour is a copycat league without a Manzella (trend setter). It will take longer than you think.



Yup.



Everywhere I go, the Doppler goes too. :)



I have resisted putting up a live lesson for years.

I will one day, but for now, I'd love to do about a dozen quick fixes and publish it.



Took some video today, and it's getting there.

Video soon.



Oh there is NO DOUBT about that.

Most TrackMan users have NO IDEA how to teach with it.

Method teachers are SWIMMING in reverse-reverse engineering.



I disagree.

The TrackMan Combine — an 80 ball test against everyone on earth (coming this year), will make teachers put up, or shut up.



Until I get the mike.

Then, it's all over but the crying. :cool:
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Brian,

Have you modified your approach for mild slicers since you started working with Trackman? I remember posts where you stated that you would fix the face first with slicers and the path with hookers. With slicers as you've discussed on a number occasions, improvements in the face often lead to big improvements in the path without focusing on it directly. That has been my experience with a lot of my students.

I remember Guitar Hero mentioning something about the sweetspot balance potentially affecting the path of the head, don't know if there's anything to that but do you think that open faces tend to cause outside in paths and closed faces inside out paths and does the balance of the sweetspot having anything to do with that?

Thanks, your Trackman work is proving very insightful.

James
 
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Brian Manzella

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Hogan1953 said:
Have you modified your approach for mild slicers since you started working with Trackman? I remember posts where you stated that you would fix the face first with slicers and the path with hookers. With slicers as you've discussed on a number occasions, improvements in the face often lead to big improvements in the path without focusing on it directly. That has been my experience with a lot of my students.
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The path is really the single most important thing for everyone EXCEPT...

Slicers of almost all kinds.

New Golfers.

Total hackers.


Hogan1953 said:
I remember John Rohan-Weaver mentioning something about the sweetspot balance potentially affecting the path of the head, don't know if there's anything to that but do you think that open faces tend to cause outside in paths and closed faces inside out paths and does the balance of the sweetspot having anything to do with that?
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The tipping point of the sweetspot balance is huge. That's why laid off backswings are so hard to play well with.
 
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Kevin Shields

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IMO, if you get the sweetspot tipping toward the ball side of vertical you can have any path you want. If you do it late, skill level starts to come into play more.
 
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