Well i will agree that this is the best machine ever to teach off of but the bottom line is you still have to get the player to do it. You can show numbers and results to your blue in the face it still comes down to teaching ex; if the clubface is open you still have to get player to square it etc etc. What this machine does is limit the amount of time and preciseness of the swing which sometimes cant be seen by the human eye.
BLOG: The Jury is In. TrackMan Greatest Teaching Advancement Ever - by Brian Manzella
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softconsult
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Yes, but if you are a player has some skill, Trackman is helpful even without instruction. Sure, if you don't know what steep versus flat, or in versus out means, then I agree with you. If, however, the player understands his golf swing then they can look or listen to the machine, and make adjustments.
When I did my Trackman driver fitting, we would look at the numbers, and I would adjust. Really fun to see -1.5 attack angle and the resulting spin and carry. Then work on trying to get the attack angle towards zero. When I did it, spin went down and carry went up. Didn't even attempt the swing up on the driver thing. So if you had some time the feedback would help you groove that swing.
Before I booked the fitting they made a point of verifying skill level. They really discourage people that can't repeat a Driver Swing, from wasting money on Trackman Fitting.
The real rub of Trackman is trying scarcity.
When I did my Trackman driver fitting, we would look at the numbers, and I would adjust. Really fun to see -1.5 attack angle and the resulting spin and carry. Then work on trying to get the attack angle towards zero. When I did it, spin went down and carry went up. Didn't even attempt the swing up on the driver thing. So if you had some time the feedback would help you groove that swing.
Before I booked the fitting they made a point of verifying skill level. They really discourage people that can't repeat a Driver Swing, from wasting money on Trackman Fitting.
The real rub of Trackman is trying scarcity.
softconsult;
I agree if the player has some sort of skill level he can do it himself case in point like you did. So we have aprox how many teachers out there teaching at all different types of course and facilities and trackman costs what 16k and up according to model and were in a recession and this teacher makes 40k and up or less depending where etc etc so he simply cannot afford it. So great we have a machine and only a small percentage can even get it now what!
I agree if the player has some sort of skill level he can do it himself case in point like you did. So we have aprox how many teachers out there teaching at all different types of course and facilities and trackman costs what 16k and up according to model and were in a recession and this teacher makes 40k and up or less depending where etc etc so he simply cannot afford it. So great we have a machine and only a small percentage can even get it now what!
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I think that to make it viable the instructor owner, would have to be in or near a major population center. You have to have enough people who a serious lesson takers, and who are willing to spend the hourly rates.
One my old golf friends owns the only, non-golf course driving range in my town of 50,000 people. There are other towns of similar size within a 20 mile radius, but they have their own ranges. Several years ago, way before the current recession, I asked him how his annual membership thing at $400 for all the balls you can hit, was going. He said he had a grand total of 1 member! He also said that not only did his average customer not have $400, but they didn't have $40.00. I can imagine what's going on now. I could afford it, but I'm still cheap. One of our city owned courses has a nice two tiered practice area, shag area. Limit for safety sake is 220 yds. Most days, including weekends, there is nobody practicing. Maybe around 8 of us that are regulars.
I don't think Trackman is coming to my town anytime soon.
One my old golf friends owns the only, non-golf course driving range in my town of 50,000 people. There are other towns of similar size within a 20 mile radius, but they have their own ranges. Several years ago, way before the current recession, I asked him how his annual membership thing at $400 for all the balls you can hit, was going. He said he had a grand total of 1 member! He also said that not only did his average customer not have $400, but they didn't have $40.00. I can imagine what's going on now. I could afford it, but I'm still cheap. One of our city owned courses has a nice two tiered practice area, shag area. Limit for safety sake is 220 yds. Most days, including weekends, there is nobody practicing. Maybe around 8 of us that are regulars.
I don't think Trackman is coming to my town anytime soon.
Brian Manzella
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Now What?
The answer is simple.
Can TrackMan make a poor teacher better?
Yes, but only if he WANTS to respect the numbers.
At the end of the day, a method teacher is going to REVERSE-reverse engineer.
Those guys will NEVER get the max out of the machine.
What to do if you can't find a teacher with a TrackMan?
I think there are more nice buildings than good teachers, and more TrackMans than great ones.
The answer is simple.
Can TrackMan make a poor teacher better?
Yes, but only if he WANTS to respect the numbers.
At the end of the day, a method teacher is going to REVERSE-reverse engineer.
Those guys will NEVER get the max out of the machine.
What to do if you can't find a teacher with a TrackMan?
I think there are more nice buildings than good teachers, and more TrackMans than great ones.
I agree Trackman will make any teacher better
Students arent improving because i believe teaching is bad not the students bad.
Like i said Trackman costs 16k and up we need to find a more affordable machine so the teachers can get better.
We have all spent money on cameras video software for lines etc aprox 4k for most teachers not including training aids etc if trackman came up with a version for 3 to 5k would all the teachers and facilties buy it?
i dont have the answer but i do know 16 to 60 grand is not the solution?
So once again is it the philosphy the rich get richer and the blue collar guy like me Brian and others who grinded on ranges in rain,heat,cold lose out.
Students arent improving because i believe teaching is bad not the students bad.
Like i said Trackman costs 16k and up we need to find a more affordable machine so the teachers can get better.
We have all spent money on cameras video software for lines etc aprox 4k for most teachers not including training aids etc if trackman came up with a version for 3 to 5k would all the teachers and facilties buy it?
i dont have the answer but i do know 16 to 60 grand is not the solution?
So once again is it the philosphy the rich get richer and the blue collar guy like me Brian and others who grinded on ranges in rain,heat,cold lose out.
If you are truly in the business of teaching golf is 16-30K too much to spend? Most businesses require a far greater capital outlay.
I think we need a small device for the average golfer to buy that just tells them path, clubface angle, and angle of attack (for use on the range or hitting into a net). Publish it with a book describing potential combinations for shots you are trying to achieve like: Straight Shot, 6 iron, (0 path, +/- 1 face, and x angle of attack).
At least then we (the average golfer) would have a way when "tinkering" alone out on the range to see what real affects we were having.
Don't really need all the fancy graphing and tracking. I'd just like something that tells me my numeric geometric results.
At least then we (the average golfer) would have a way when "tinkering" alone out on the range to see what real affects we were having.
Don't really need all the fancy graphing and tracking. I'd just like something that tells me my numeric geometric results.
softconsult
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I want an S550 for the price of a used Corolla, but it simply isn't possible. Easier to say it than to build it.
I would love this as well!
birdie_man
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Brian what is an example of reverse-reverse engineering?
ah c'mon, spring for the S65!
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