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Matt Taylor
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That makes it even more impressive to me. Seems like golfers of that era had to deal with so many more inconsistencies in equipment and courses that the search for a perfect, repeatable swing wasn't the focus as much as getting your ball in the hole anyway possible.
Those guys didn't play golf swing, they played golf.
Those guys didn't play golf swing, they played golf.
David Alford
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>You have to remember the equipment he was using. Have to swing a hickory shaft a little different.>
That's a fallacy. I've done the experiment. But w/o a doubt the low quality of the equipment and the courses made it harder to post impressive scores.
That's a fallacy. I've done the experiment. But w/o a doubt the low quality of the equipment and the courses made it harder to post impressive scores.
drewitgolf
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Jones never got his actual law degree from Emory. He passed the Georgia State Bar Exam at the beginning of his second year of law school in 1928 and took up practice with his father's law firm.
I stand corrected. Thank you for that clarification. I did not know in which state he was accepted to the bar and just assumed it was via Emery. In those days I suspect you did not have to graduate with a law degree to practice law as long as you could pass the bar exams. Jones must have been a quick study or was tutored by his father to be able to accomplish this feat.
Brian Manzella
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I've watched Bobby Jones' swing a bunch, he is EITHER a hitter with the irons---a four barreled one at that---or a four barrel swinger.
Period.
Period.
Brian Manzella
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Shoulder Turn Takeaway.
Double Shift.
One of the best that ever lived.
Double Shift.
One of the best that ever lived.
drewitgolf
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Bent right elbow at impact with right forearm on plane.
Brian, In the sequence I posted he is certainly swinging - look at the sequenced release....
From frames 8-11 he is releasing acc. no 4
From frame 12 he is releasing acc. no 2
Then he then uses acc no 3 to transfer and rolls on the plane line...
If you are swinging you cannot actively release acc no.1. Think about it - the release sequence is always to be 4-1-2-3. Now just think if you can do that on a sequenced release...you can't, as Yoda once posted, 'push against a piece of string' (something Jones is aware of looking at his works). The whole idea of swinging is to transfer the surface speed which has been longitudally accelarated meaning the use no.4 and.2 and transfer that with no.3, any right arm thrust disrupts the drag loading process. His right arm is passive in this sequence (I have yet to examine the irons) which goes along with what he says on the golf stroke.
He also stops at the end rather than the top...
I totally agree with you on the double shift and shoulder turn takeaway though
From frames 8-11 he is releasing acc. no 4
From frame 12 he is releasing acc. no 2
Then he then uses acc no 3 to transfer and rolls on the plane line...
If you are swinging you cannot actively release acc no.1. Think about it - the release sequence is always to be 4-1-2-3. Now just think if you can do that on a sequenced release...you can't, as Yoda once posted, 'push against a piece of string' (something Jones is aware of looking at his works). The whole idea of swinging is to transfer the surface speed which has been longitudally accelarated meaning the use no.4 and.2 and transfer that with no.3, any right arm thrust disrupts the drag loading process. His right arm is passive in this sequence (I have yet to examine the irons) which goes along with what he says on the golf stroke.
He also stops at the end rather than the top...
I totally agree with you on the double shift and shoulder turn takeaway though
Im going to attempt to categorise Bobby Jones stroke and want feedback on how close I am...
1 grip-basic - A - overlap
2 grip-type - ????
3 stroke-basic - B - Pitch
4 Stroke-variation - C4 - Triple Barrel 2/3/4
5 Plane Line - D - Open Open
6 Plane Angle basic - B - Turned Shoulder
7 Plane Angle variation - C - Double Shift
8 Fix - A - Standard
9 Address - A - standard
10 Hinge Actions - D - Dual Horizontal
11 Pressure Point Combinations - C4 - Triple 2/3/4
12 Pivot - A - Standard
13 Shoulder Turn - C - Rotated
14 Hip Turn - A - Standard
15 Hip Action - A - Standard
16 Knee Action - A - Standard
17 Foot Action - A - Standard
18 Left Wrist Action - B - Double
19 Lag Loading - C - Drag Loading
20 Trigger Type - E - Wrist Throw
21 Power Package Assembly Point - C - End
22 Power Package Loading Action - B - Random Sweep
23 Power Package Delivery Path - A - Top Arc and Straight Line
24 Power Package Release - E - Automatic
1 grip-basic - A - overlap
2 grip-type - ????
3 stroke-basic - B - Pitch
4 Stroke-variation - C4 - Triple Barrel 2/3/4
5 Plane Line - D - Open Open
6 Plane Angle basic - B - Turned Shoulder
7 Plane Angle variation - C - Double Shift
8 Fix - A - Standard
9 Address - A - standard
10 Hinge Actions - D - Dual Horizontal
11 Pressure Point Combinations - C4 - Triple 2/3/4
12 Pivot - A - Standard
13 Shoulder Turn - C - Rotated
14 Hip Turn - A - Standard
15 Hip Action - A - Standard
16 Knee Action - A - Standard
17 Foot Action - A - Standard
18 Left Wrist Action - B - Double
19 Lag Loading - C - Drag Loading
20 Trigger Type - E - Wrist Throw
21 Power Package Assembly Point - C - End
22 Power Package Loading Action - B - Random Sweep
23 Power Package Delivery Path - A - Top Arc and Straight Line
24 Power Package Release - E - Automatic
Mathew, His knee action looks sort of unique. His toe looks pointed out towrd the target quite a bit, but, he gets pretty high up on his left toe at end of backswing. Then when he is swinging through he really has that weight on the left heel. What do you think? Do you see it or is it the camera angle? You hear a lot of instructors talk about rolling on the feet and the feet being more square. Whats your take on this? Cheers, Rich
I always look at the body (zone 1) in its entirety...
The hip and shoulder motions are on a pretty similar angle viewed from the side. Tilt the hips and you tilt the shoulders...
Jones was an advocate for a big free hip action coupled with his open open plane line it further emphasises the effect....
I categorised by the help of chapter 11...
12 Pivot - A - Standard
13 Shoulder Turn - C - Rotated
14 Hip Turn - A - Standard
15 Hip Action - A - Standard
16 Knee Action - A - Standard
17 Foot Action - A - Standard
Let me just find references....
Pivot - Move freely in both directions
Shoulder Turn - Right angles to spine
Hip Turn - Up (turn - free:shift- free) Down (turn-free:shift free)
Hip Action - Leads and powers shoulders up and down
Knee Action - Top (left - Straight:right - Address) Finish (left -Address:right - straight)
Foot Action - This procedure produces the maximum foot action. The left foot is rolled and lifted at the top and the right foot is "rolled" and "lifted" at the finish after passing through the sit-down point with both feet flat
To me it sounds exactly like Jones... I am always interested to hear any thoughts thought...
He can really hula under his stationary head can't he
So as a summary of his backstroke zone 1
His hips turn freely back and forth clearing the right hip and straightening the right leg whilst the left foot is rolled and lifted which turns the shoulders and starts or more appropriately drags back the power package on a rotated shoulder turn takeaway.
Brian Manzella
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As far as my Bobby Jones comments.....
I watched the Jones video this year and the guy is BANGING down on the ball--with his irons---with his right arm.
Obviously pushing with the right arm.
I watched the Jones video this year and the guy is BANGING down on the ball--with his irons---with his right arm.
Obviously pushing with the right arm.
drewitgolf
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Which video? There are more than one.
drewitgolf
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Bob Jones never thought of himself as a hitter. Both in respect to his and Mr.Kelley's definition.
David Alford
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I'm sorry, I'm just not impressed with Bobby Jones's swing and I think anyone wanting to learn a great golf swing should look elsewhere. Hogan, Nicklaus, TW, etc. If BJ was an unknown and you looked at this swing, I bet almost everyone here would be tearing it apart.
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