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nevermind

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This is a shout out to anyone who has read or watched the recent communications from Brian and Michael regarding the Coupling Point Path etc, and have or will be taking it to the range/course.

Both Brian and Michael have stated that their video's and posts are not instructional in nature. My take is there is some "HOW" included in the communications from both, but for the most part they've stuck to the "WHAT". So we have a great chance to investigate how capable we golfers are at converting improved information, into improved ball striking.

If we could, very quickly before the "HOW" gets out, get all the golfers out there who take this info to the range, course or whatever, to honestly post what kind of results they're having we could see if the pursuit of knowledge is really worth it for us internet golfers.

I realize there's a chance Brian or Michael might say "hold up, we're giving this information away for free, we don't want encourage anyone to skip our teaching", but I doubt it. In my time online Brian has always been keen to prove his value as a teacher and I think this is a great chance to do it. If we compare the improvement, or lack of, before and after the "HOW" is published, I'm inclined to think we'll see a wide gulf. My guess is it would point out to us all, me especially, that forking out for their Instruction is a no brainer.

I wont be offended or upset when nothing comes of this, but I wish it would. I've spent years on the web seeking out the best information, with a dash of Brian's instructional video's on the side, and have attempted to apply it on my own with varying success, but is it really just a waste of time?

Can knowledge improve ball striking? If we know the "What", can we work out our own "HOW"?

Thanks for reading, and thank-you to Brian and Michael, and all the others involved, for sharing.
 
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BertramSterling

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I like the idea of this thread :)

Personally, I've tried to bring some of this into my swing but really I was already doing it. That's not to say I already knew about this discovery, it was more like I tried all the aiming point type stuff and hit it worse. So I just didn't strive toward the max forward lean, impact hands like some people maybe do/did.

Infact, recently I was so fed up of low, poor quality chips and pitches (resulting from trying to get to this 'hands forward' down and out impact position), plus the odd shanked pitch shot, that I just gave up trying to 'make it better' the TGM way. Instead, I just accepted that my slightly odd, open stance, 'flippy' chips and pitches simply were better. Incidentally, the short game is probably where I got closest to the old ideal...

So, not to answer your question but... I'm glad this came about when it did, because it has given me some confidence in what I am doing (not being totally wrong). Next time a round starts going south I might not be so inclined to 'fix it' with low hands, mega forward lean, pork chop divots, etc. And make things worse.
That, for me, is why this is huge. There is a school of thought that says the way to learn is backward, from a short putt, to a chip, to pitch, and so on. Well, if you are trying to chip with this really outward, low hand path, aren't you learning not to shank it while trying to move the hosel at the ball? The only way to go is down, and that's probably why I see people taking huge lumps of mud from around the chipping green (!).

Now, as for trying to add more of it...that hasn't worked out well so far. But, moving the hands excessively down & out didn't do me any good, so why would moving them *excessively* up & in be much different?
 
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That is the beauty of this information. It gives golfers confidence to go ahead and release the couple point, let the right wrist bend, let the left wrist bend through impact, whatever the golfers feel is.

Golfers can get so adherent to a specific set of rules or principles or imperatives that it ruins the golfers capacity to self discover what works for them. This info is hopefully a step towards getting the golfer to do what is best for said golfer instead of strict adherence to a certain philosophy.
 
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Nevermind, I wish you good luck but given what you say, why would you think reading more from forum members would improve your ability to assimilate? As it is, there are many options and the 3-4 keys were given out in that thread, and at least 6 folks have said they tried them and got pretty good results. Brian's summary of "what" on page 61 is pretty good if you picked up the other pointers. Also there is a separate thread on at least one report anyways, here:
http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/15971-release-proof-before-after.html

nevermind said:
I've spent years on the web seeking out the best information, with a dash of Brian's instructional video's on the side, and have attempted to apply it on my own with varying success, but is it really just a waste of time?
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BertramSterling said:
I like the idea of this thread :)
Infact, recently I was so fed up of low, poor quality chips and pitches (resulting from trying to get to this 'hands forward' down and out impact position), plus the odd shanked pitch shot, that I just gave up trying to 'make it better' the TGM way.
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The shanked pitch destroyed many a round for me. I'm stubborn by nature and kept trying to refine that broken motion.
 
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willgolfer said:
Gotcha....and when I said "apply to this thread" I meant to add the release thread as well.
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I know. If you give your self enough room with your backswing by getting as up and in as you can go (and back to some extent so as to prevent putting what Kevin has called the transition torques on your arms by getting left too soon) you can carry and drop together to achieve that tangential motion Michael discusses in his video and still have room to pull the coupling path up and in. You see?
 
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lia41985

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Check out Gay Brewer too: Billy Casper & Gay Brewer Swing Sequence - YouTube

Getting up and across the line is going to help a lot of people who were fooled (for example, by Jim Hardy) into thinking that you needed to be flat and laid off if you had the urge to swing hard from the top. The up and across matched with the correct amount of carry and drop will help facilitate the up and in that optimizes release.
 
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dbl

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Lia I haven't watched your vids yet but i will say that your carry aspect seems to be (perhaps) a choice but one i'm not using. Note the release thread covered a lot of throwing from the top and brian's p61 notes place a lot of importance on the direction. To me, the carry is an add on you've put on. Again to me throwing from the top suggests getting ones hands at the top in the right place first. I suppose one could Get ones hands to a wrong place and then adjust before throwing, but I don't see why that would be selected.
 
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dbl

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Oh ok. Well he seems to say it could be utilized but isn't necessarily mandatory. In which case....is an option.
 
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For me the idea of putting the different stress on the shaft at the top has really helped me hit the ball solid. I have no idea why. It just seems to help shallow me out and help my timing.
 
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dbl

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Lia, just saw your vids. Imo, your carry is not Brian's carry. Your BS gets you very flat and at the top you finish your backswing with a carry like move to get in the "proper" position. Can't really tell but then "maybe" you then have a teensy 1" carry move, and perhaps that is what you are referring to (but I doubt it) and then you unleash.

If it works, great!
 
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