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Did you know that in the last 3 years of mid-80 US Open locals, I played about a dozen 18 hole rounds (or less) each year.
As for what kind of player I am: I once was 26 under par for 1 week of golf.
and I'll play ole Lead for a Grand$ a day.
As for what kind of player I am: I once was 26 under par for 1 week of golf.
and I'll play ole Lead for a Grand$ a day.
Imagine if Faldo put the same time in with Manzella as he did Leadbetter. He might of won alot more majors.
Leadbetter actually imposed alot of completely unnessesary moves upon Faldo and despite him winning 6 Majors, really all lead did was a few changes that was actually benefitial, all the rest was leadbetter junk.
Have you ever seen Faldo swing beside someone like with the swing of Woods or one of the athletic young swings on tour. You tell me which one looks the more correct just by eye. I can tell you that Faldo looks actually pretty contrived in comparison.
Leadbetter actually imposed alot of completely unnessesary moves upon Faldo and despite him winning 6 Majors, really all lead did was a few changes that was actually benefitial, all the rest was leadbetter junk.
Have you ever seen Faldo swing beside someone like with the swing of Woods or one of the athletic young swings on tour. You tell me which one looks the more correct just by eye. I can tell you that Faldo looks actually pretty contrived in comparison.
Well his whole system really was completely unnecessary...
Faldo's swing was pretty darn good before his 'makeover'. Faldo lost alot of power in the change. Faldo needed to amend the way he swung, granted, but leadbetter gave him a swing which just looks plain contrived.
Have you seen him swing in person, tell me if his motion still looks like 'the textbook swing'. It looks alot better in stills than it does in full motion and it looks alot better on tv than it does in real life.
Lead would be best living the rest of his life going round driving ranges and begging for forgiveness from each person he has screwed with.
Faldo's swing was pretty darn good before his 'makeover'. Faldo lost alot of power in the change. Faldo needed to amend the way he swung, granted, but leadbetter gave him a swing which just looks plain contrived.
Have you seen him swing in person, tell me if his motion still looks like 'the textbook swing'. It looks alot better in stills than it does in full motion and it looks alot better on tv than it does in real life.
Lead would be best living the rest of his life going round driving ranges and begging for forgiveness from each person he has screwed with.
Brian Manzella
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Em...that's your best post ever.
Also in the HALL of FAME for contrived:
Mark O'Meara
Also in the HALL of FAME for contrived:
Mark O'Meara
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Have you never seen the "Perfect Grip" training aide?
Nick Faldo won 6 Majors with his new swing...he won ZIP Majors with his old swing.Although I must admit his swing looks a bit contrived and mechanical but so what?Look at his ball striking.
And before you sneer at his lack of distance...Faldo has never been a long hitter before or after his swing changes.Long hitters are born and not made.Tiger will be long hitter no matter what method he uses.
His new swing was about accuracy,consistency and being idiot proof under the gun.
I'm not a fan of Lead but i am a big fan of Faldo.Faldo probably taught Lead more about the golf swing than he did.Lead just started him on the right track and was there as a crutch to lean on.
His book "Golf-The winning formula" may take most people a lifetime to fully comprehend.Maybe never.
Faldo was a very long hitter in his pre Leadbetter days. He was not a natural sweep loader which was part of the Leadbetter swing. People go on and on about Faldo's swing when he was winning but he had one of the best short games in the world and was a fantastic putter when he was at his best but nobody mentions this.
"His new swing was about accuracy,consistency and being idiot proof under the gun."
People hold up under pressure not swings. This idea of a muscle memory |Leadbetter swing is a myth . If anything for your swing to hold up you want to be playing on automatic and have your swing down as a habit. Faldo was constantly tinkering with his swing with Leadbetter years after the rebuild. This is the kind of thing that leads to breakdown not reliability because of the tendancy to play on a manual not automatic level. Faldo was a player on the up when Leadbetter got in with him. I have a great respect for Faldo as he managed to win so much "despite" of Leadbetter not because of him.
"His new swing was about accuracy,consistency and being idiot proof under the gun."
People hold up under pressure not swings. This idea of a muscle memory |Leadbetter swing is a myth . If anything for your swing to hold up you want to be playing on automatic and have your swing down as a habit. Faldo was constantly tinkering with his swing with Leadbetter years after the rebuild. This is the kind of thing that leads to breakdown not reliability because of the tendancy to play on a manual not automatic level. Faldo was a player on the up when Leadbetter got in with him. I have a great respect for Faldo as he managed to win so much "despite" of Leadbetter not because of him.
Faldo had a good short game before his new swing.
Why did he win 6 Majors after his rebuild and not before?
He was not a long hitter before his swing changes.His shots lacked penetration and in his own words "A steep angle of attack caused me to hit the ball with a volatile ballooning trajectory,and so my game was vulnerable in any kind of wind"
If people hold up under pressure and not swings,then why bother work on your technique?A good swing that repeats and is consistent from day to day must surely help your confidence under pressure.Any doubts about your swing is going to surface when the heat is on.
When I go to golf tournaments (usually the British open) I always head for a few hours around lunch to watch the greatest players strike balls. I remember the first time I saw Faldo hitting beside other famous names at the practice tee. Every one of them looked just so superior to Faldo, it just looked so much more natural and dynamic. Faldo just looked stiff and unathletic to my eye. At the time I didn't have any understanding of the swing but even then I could see right there and then Faldo's swing sucked.
Now my first books were leadbetter and Faldo's bought for me by my Dad. My Dad bought them under the mistaken premise that Leadbetter was the best teacher in golf and built up a textbook swing for Faldo. I just remember sitting there watching Faldo and wanting to look at this great swing I read so much about, instead I sat there looking at someone swing like a spastic and thinking is this the really the swing I want to emulate!
You know how long I tried to do Leadbetters 'Links'. Probably for my first two years playing golf. Sure I had gotten better but not in anyway related to Leadbetter, but just my body got a little more athletic and my co-ordination got better despite trying to do the Leadbetter junk. As soon as I saw Faldo I knew it was time to change my methodology and since then ive improved every year getting better and better.
When I decided to change my methodology, I bought a multitude of books and started to study the swing and thats a whole other story....
Now my first books were leadbetter and Faldo's bought for me by my Dad. My Dad bought them under the mistaken premise that Leadbetter was the best teacher in golf and built up a textbook swing for Faldo. I just remember sitting there watching Faldo and wanting to look at this great swing I read so much about, instead I sat there looking at someone swing like a spastic and thinking is this the really the swing I want to emulate!
You know how long I tried to do Leadbetters 'Links'. Probably for my first two years playing golf. Sure I had gotten better but not in anyway related to Leadbetter, but just my body got a little more athletic and my co-ordination got better despite trying to do the Leadbetter junk. As soon as I saw Faldo I knew it was time to change my methodology and since then ive improved every year getting better and better.
When I decided to change my methodology, I bought a multitude of books and started to study the swing and thats a whole other story....
quote:Originally posted by ragman
BM's grip is almost identical.quote:Originally posted by Eminem
Heres how leadbitter asks you to hold the club in your left hand
A little much in the palm don't ya think.
Who cares what you think....
But to answer your question - Leadbetter puts it in the middle of his heel pad and BM puts it under if you have ever bothered looking at the pdf. You can see the bottom of the grip in BM's hands goes between the natural curve of the hands which is roughly the middle section of the index finger to the bottom or base of the pinky - theres a big difference there !
Lead says put it in your palm and BM is much more in the fingers. Thats pretty easy and plain to see.
But again ragman you have alot to learn....you must be blind !...
Em,never mind what Faldo's swing looks like..how did he strike the ball?Don't forget Faldo is a control player,his distance control is among the best in the history of the game.
And no offence,but your former address position and swing looked nothing like Lead,but your new one does.
And you say you tried Leadbetters positioning for 2 years and it sucked..well,how do you know you were even doing them correctly?
Trying to build a golf swing by manual is a hit and miss affair at best.You need a trained eye looking at you.
Faldo struck like his balls where dipped in horse poo that day and every day ive ever seen him play. Distance Control is one of the worst parts of his game, I don't know if you've taken truely wacked out hallucinogenics or something, but I can assure you for a fact his distance control is CERTAINLY not his fort'e. Even his deranged ex-coach says its not his fort'e.
I did leadbetter (name is no longer capitalised because hes a 'thing') and Faldo to the letter and I did not get any better. Sure I wasn't as knowledgable as I am now but even still a book should educate and teach you positive things. I had no understanding by this book and I had no positive things from this book.
No offense to you either, but your probably someone thats very stupid when it comes to golf instruction and the fact my swing has changed you could fit it into your imagination that I could be following Flick, McLean or any of the other so called 'troubleshooters' if you tried enough.
I did leadbetter (name is no longer capitalised because hes a 'thing') and Faldo to the letter and I did not get any better. Sure I wasn't as knowledgable as I am now but even still a book should educate and teach you positive things. I had no understanding by this book and I had no positive things from this book.
No offense to you either, but your probably someone thats very stupid when it comes to golf instruction and the fact my swing has changed you could fit it into your imagination that I could be following Flick, McLean or any of the other so called 'troubleshooters' if you tried enough.
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