Do upright swings hit the ball higher?

[tongzilla]

upright (arm) swing = higher ball flight for me...partly because a more upright swing = a longer swing...more clubhead speed

 

[Dariusz J.]

It's a legit question about your claim. I guess you don't have an answer or proof of your assertion. Never put forth a claim that your not willing to explain or give reasonable answers to when aked about them on a public forum. Otherwise they don't hold any weight, it's just an opinion not based on any real evidence.
So just say imo or if it's a scientific fact provide some actual proof.

Do you know how to apply science to the subconscious mind ? All what concerns this area is in the spheres of speculations. One does not need to underline it. That's why examples become important.
BTW, I said "I believe" which is a synonym of "IMO" - isn't it ?

Are you saying that it's impossible to drop the club under plane?
Or are you saying that its your opinion that the plane cant be too shallow?
IMO if you lay it off super shallow you have to compensate for that move.

I said that I believe it is much more difficult to drop the club under plane in case of low plane swings.

Cheers

 

[siksta]

Dariusz makes some great points.
Kevin makes a good point also anything can happen regardless of what plane the person is on if other parts of the body are out of whack.
So isnt that the misconception with golfers they dont see the swing plane in 3 dimensions or possibly in a 4th dimension? They view it as straight lines,curves,arcs etc etc. For those who trained with flashlights to get on plane where would the light shine on Furyks swing?And for those who use plane boards would Raymond Floyd crash thru it?If one looks at the shaft as a plane are eyes are above it and that confuses the golfer?

 

[Kevin Shields]

I never said one will drop under more easily, only that any club, anytime can drop under the intended delivery line. I know your opinion of 90degrees to the spine, EEP, etc but that can drop under as soon as the right shoulder lowers, the hands stop going in and left. Diversify planes? Gimme a break. Im not trying to start a discussion on which plane is better. Theyre both good and they both can fall under the desired path at anytime, both just as easily.

When your not invested in a particular methodology its easier to be objective, IMHO.

 

[siksta]

Kevin,
Good point and you forgot one can throw a club over the intended delivery line>

 

[Dariusz J.]

I never said one will drop under more easily, only that any club, anytime can drop under the intended delivery line. I know your opinion of 90degrees to the spine, EEP, etc but that can drop under as soon as the right shoulder lowers, the hands stop going in and left. Diversify planes? Gimme a break. Im not trying to start a discussion on which plane is better. Theyre both good and they both can fall under the desired path at anytime, both just as easily.

When your not invested in a particular methodology its easier to be objective, IMHO.

OK, Kev, point taken. Good post.

Cheers

 

[gmbtempe]

I find underplane is much more tied to axis tilt, head movement and shoulder movement rather than upright or flat backswing planes.

 

[footwedge]

Do you know how to apply science to the subconscious mind ? All what concerns this area is in the spheres of speculations. One does not need to underline it. That's why examples become important.
BTW, I said "I believe" which is a synonym of "IMO" - isn't it ?




I said that I believe it is much more difficult to drop the club under plane in case of low plane swings.

Cheers

I wasn't talking about the subconscious part when i asked if you have some evidence i was talking about the dropping the club underplane part. Any ways your just speculating with no solid scientific evidence so it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.imo.

 

[bryan@nobackswing.com]

Upright swings promote a shaft that counter rotates and could fall inside if some factors arent taken into account.

Kevin, this is an interesting concept, could you explain what you mean by a counter-rotating shaft?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Kevin, this is an interesting concept, could you explain what you mean by a counter-rotating shaft?

I'm ASSuming he means that the left forearm rotates LESS thus the backswing to be more upright. Then if you are under-rotated in the backswing too much you are going to "tend too" over rotate it back on the downswing and fall too inside.

Similarly, ever see a laid off backswing with a UNDER rotated left arm (for a righty?) Doesn't typically happen.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Kevin, this is an interesting concept, could you explain what you mean by a counter-rotating shaft?

Steep planes are prone to clockwise rotation of the shaft thru impact. General thought, no absolutes.

 

[SteveT]

As a tall golfer (6-4 in golf shoes, 175 lbs stripped) swinging 1" extended and 2º upright PING irons, I can confirm that my iron shots are much higher due to the steepness of my swing. Since my swing radius is bigger and my swing arc is flatter, I prefer to "nip" the ball off the grass and only slightly brushing the grass ahead of the ball. This produces a high trajectory and a steep angle of descent on approach shot to the green.

The ball does not roll much, it only bounces several times and stops quickly. I can't spin the ball back, and I only depend on accuracy. If I can't directly negotiate the green, I can bump and run to get forward roll. On rock hard greens, I swear the ball will bounce up 10' on the first bounce.!!!!

The disadvantage with a steep swing and high trajectory is the inability to work the ball. Shorter golfers with flatter swings and smaller swing radii can work the ball much better but suffer with trajectory control unless they use spin.

Have I got it right...?!

 

[bryan@nobackswing.com]

Steep planes are prone to clockwise rotation of the shaft thru impact. General thought, no absolutes.

Got it, thanks Kevin. Would this tend to equate with a "hold off" type of move thru impact in order to keep clubface from turning over? It seems like if done correctly it might keep the clubface squarer for a (slightly) longer interval in the impact area.