Doyle v. MORAD
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Brian Manzella
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There is a post on another forum about this and....what a joke!
I have spent 1000hours+ with Ben and I know his stuff ids light years better than Lead, haney, Flick, etc....YES even Mac.
But...these guys just RIP Ben. What a shame.
I will be doing a school with Ben this fall...come out and SEE how much GOOD information Bentley J. Doyle has........
T O N S !!!!!
I have spent 1000hours+ with Ben and I know his stuff ids light years better than Lead, haney, Flick, etc....YES even Mac.
But...these guys just RIP Ben. What a shame.
I will be doing a school with Ben this fall...come out and SEE how much GOOD information Bentley J. Doyle has........
T O N S !!!!!
I just read the article:
It seems like the person was no longer impressed with TGM, not just of Bentley.
But, it's probably just the case that the pro golfer was a firm believer of TGM, but now realizes that no system provides ultimate answers to virtually all important golf questions.
Rigid conviction that TGM is the supreme source of knowledge for understanding and tackling our the golf swing will tend to make you become close minded.
It seems like the person was no longer impressed with TGM, not just of Bentley.
But, it's probably just the case that the pro golfer was a firm believer of TGM, but now realizes that no system provides ultimate answers to virtually all important golf questions.
Rigid conviction that TGM is the supreme source of knowledge for understanding and tackling our the golf swing will tend to make you become close minded.
You will not see or look for any weaknesses in TGM theory or practice
You will dismiss criticism of TGM
Your evangelical zeal will probably “scare off” some clients, while other instructors are viewed by you as inadequate because they do not embrace TGM as you have done
You become upset easily when someone criticizes TGM, or a golfer pokes fun at you when you try to teach it to them.
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The message that I got from that post is:
Do not adopt an uncritical adherence to TGM. Keep your critical faculties sharp and skeptical.
Brian Manzella
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You have obviously not read my work, seen my tapes or pay close attention to what I post if you think I am a TGM zealot.
I could ALWAYS teach well, TGM gives me science to base MY THEORIES on.
Ben favors a 'maximum particapation stroke' and has a pretty good model he uses to teach it.
a pre-wreck Ben HOGAN.
I could ALWAYS teach well, TGM gives me science to base MY THEORIES on.
Ben favors a 'maximum particapation stroke' and has a pretty good model he uses to teach it.
a pre-wreck Ben HOGAN.
I read a few great posts on this forum. Having said that,
I have not seen your videos.
I have seen your swing video...and I have read some of your articles.
It's been pointed out -- correctly by Edz -- that your "Never Slice Again" article was taken from the book "Four Magic Moves to Winning Golf", by Joe Dante. Yet, you have not given him credit.
I believe your golf swing philosophy had better be subscribed to with much skepticism and caution! As far as your world-class debating skills, well, that's another story...
I have not seen your videos.
I have seen your swing video...and I have read some of your articles.
It's been pointed out -- correctly by Edz -- that your "Never Slice Again" article was taken from the book "Four Magic Moves to Winning Golf", by Joe Dante. Yet, you have not given him credit.
I believe your golf swing philosophy had better be subscribed to with much skepticism and caution! As far as your world-class debating skills, well, that's another story...
Brian Manzella
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Yup.
Only one problem with that.
I have heard Homer talk and a 10 year old COULD understand him.
The Golfing Machine book was not meant to be an explanation, Homer wanted a technical manual.
It is the AI's job to 'make it simple.'
I do it every day.
As for Dante...did he say "Wedding ring up at the swivel?"
He did write a great book that I have recommended several times on the web and it will be available for purchase on my new site.
Only one problem with that.
I have heard Homer talk and a 10 year old COULD understand him.
The Golfing Machine book was not meant to be an explanation, Homer wanted a technical manual.
It is the AI's job to 'make it simple.'
I do it every day.
As for Dante...did he say "Wedding ring up at the swivel?"
He did write a great book that I have recommended several times on the web and it will be available for purchase on my new site.
David Alford
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What? Brian took it right out of Joe Dante's book?
Re: a technical manual, why can't it be clear and easily readable?
Re: a technical manual, why can't it be clear and easily readable?
SuperDave,
You find The Golfing Machine unintelligible for the same reason you would find a post-introductory text in virtually any technical field unintelligible: You understand neither the concepts being presented nor the professional terms used to present them. This would be particularly true of a Handbook whose stated goal is to briefly acquaint the student with both.
With diligent application, the reader can bootstrap himself to the level of the text as presented. Or, for a shorter way to the same objective, he can train under a competent Authorized Instructor. Absent one or the other or both of these approaches, the book will remain inaccessible. That fact does not detract from the genius of Homer Kelley's work...
It reveals it.
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Will yours be clear and easily readable? Maybe to you...
Mr. Homer Kelley took 28 years to find, research and explain the 3 absolute imperatives in a sound golfstroke what did you do? Until you tell me that, why should I listen to you rather than someone who knew THE TRUTH even if it is difficult to read, remember he also devised the support structure (AI's) for the manual. You don't have to read it, go and see an AI who will clarify it for your needs.
Brian also didn't care where the information came from, he presented it in a clear easy to digest fashion, hence the term TEACHER.
Brian only says he is a great TEACHER not some golf savant or visionary. That is what you are, right?
Mr. Homer Kelley took 28 years to find, research and explain the 3 absolute imperatives in a sound golfstroke what did you do? Until you tell me that, why should I listen to you rather than someone who knew THE TRUTH even if it is difficult to read, remember he also devised the support structure (AI's) for the manual. You don't have to read it, go and see an AI who will clarify it for your needs.
Brian also didn't care where the information came from, he presented it in a clear easy to digest fashion, hence the term TEACHER.
Brian only says he is a great TEACHER not some golf savant or visionary. That is what you are, right?
David Alford
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haha. You guys are so funny. There is NOTHING in the golf swing a 16 yr. old can't grasp and understand completely.
If you disagree, please specify what technique or concept is sooooh difficult.
Squishband, yes of course I am going to make a sincere effort to make my books readable to anyone. You'd rather I do the opposite? Come on!
If you disagree, please specify what technique or concept is sooooh difficult.
Squishband, yes of course I am going to make a sincere effort to make my books readable to anyone. You'd rather I do the opposite? Come on!
David Alford
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Squishband wrote:
Brian only says he is a great TEACHER not some golf savant or visionary. That is what you are, right?
Noooh. My janitorial job is to help clean up the train wreck that is golf instruction.
Now, re: Brian, don't sell him short. Here's who he says he is:
Not to leave out "I (Brian Manzella) am ONE OF THE WORLD'S BEST DEBATERS!"
Brian only says he is a great TEACHER not some golf savant or visionary. That is what you are, right?
Noooh. My janitorial job is to help clean up the train wreck that is golf instruction.
Now, re: Brian, don't sell him short. Here's who he says he is:
Not to leave out "I (Brian Manzella) am ONE OF THE WORLD'S BEST DEBATERS!"
Brian Manzella
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What about "I, Brian Manzella have to put up with yahoos like this David Alford"
David Alford
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Brian, do you have any criticisms of Ben Doyle's swing?
Brian Manzella
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You want me to post an analysis of Ben's swing?
David Alford
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I asked if you had any criticisms of it.
David Alford
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holenone, can you name one subject in TGM that is so complex it couldn't be written about so that even a 16 yr. could understand it?
While I know this question is not aimed at me but its a free discussion hence the word forum so ill interject my opinion anyways.
At 16 years old I did my advanced higher maths(B), higher music(A), higher english(C) and higher computing(A) passing all of them in the same year... - when you hit 16 you are 'mentally' fully developed. So what is the point of your question?
David Alford
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Mathew, it is not a free discussion as Brian deletes posts he doesn't want you to see. This post, while entirely civil, may be deleted or maybe it will be left in to give the impression posts aren't being deleted. I've had posts that were on subject and civil and they were deleted, while posts criticizing me, even those where Brian calls me a "yahoo" are retained.
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