Doyle v. MORAD
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David Alford
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Wish you guys would make up your mind, but I'll side with denny. I've never seen anything that couldn't be written clearer.
Brian Manzella
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OK.
I would agree that it could certainly be more clearly written. More of a stylistic choice on Homer's part (sticking to science style writting), than a real requirement. As a former scientist myself, I don't mind it at all.
The 'descriptions' in TGM are highly detailed, more so than the vast majority need, or want, or are able, to understand.
That doesn't make it wrong, it just makes it complex. TGM concepts and motions can be simplified, and demonstrated, much more clearly
- see the EdZ drills - or if you want to relate it to the book, none is better than Mr. Blake IMO.
The 'descriptions' in TGM are highly detailed, more so than the vast majority need, or want, or are able, to understand.
That doesn't make it wrong, it just makes it complex. TGM concepts and motions can be simplified, and demonstrated, much more clearly
- see the EdZ drills - or if you want to relate it to the book, none is better than Mr. Blake IMO.
Dear EdZ,
Homer wrote the book in text book style that was far from scientific. Read the last paragraph of the preface and 1-H. Not as scientific as you may think. Is it complex? Sure, so were many demanding and terrific classes in college that seem unreasonable until a professor untangled the text. Does it take work, Ed? Hope so and lots. Makes it worth it. What’s wrong with it? Nothing - nothing a little guidance wouldn’t help.
TGM could use a few more well taught Ais to help. Holenone clearly explained the overall book and the specifics parts ridiculously easy. And not with some confidential phrasing but with Homers own words. Quite a fog lifter, Yoda would be proud. LOL
David Alford
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Ed, I also have a science background. Good science writing should be clear.
So should good engineering writing. Good writing of any kind should be and usually can be clear. If the writer understands and respects his audience, he will be half way there.
So should good engineering writing. Good writing of any kind should be and usually can be clear. If the writer understands and respects his audience, he will be half way there.
Brian Manzella
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That;s what I do in my articles...but
...without Kelley, those articles would have been no better than a third as good...
...without Kelley, those articles would have been no better than a third as good...
David Alford
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I have some auto repair books that are exemplary. IMO, this theory TGM couldn't have been written more clearly is bizarre.
Brian Manzella
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Hey David!
Where on EARTH did you get the idea from ME that TGM couldn't have been 'written' better?
I would NEVER say such a thing.
IMO, It could be done easily.
Where on EARTH did you get the idea from ME that TGM couldn't have been 'written' better?
I would NEVER say such a thing.
IMO, It could be done easily.
David,
Once again, your posts never seem to add any real golf insight, but I guess, since this forum is entitled 'discussion and debate', your criticism of Homer and TGM falls within the forums mandate.
That said, a much better approach than vague criticism of TGM might be for you to help us understand how it might be improved by a better author.
Hey...YOU are an author, aren't you. Why don't you take a couple of paragraphs from TGM (pick any one from the Homers Greatest Hits thread) and re-write it. I can't imagine it would take very much of your time and you would certainly quiet any critics.
I, for one, would really love to see how the Book could be written so that it is more CLEAR, equally CORRECT and as equally COMPREHENSIVE as the original.
Just a suggestion, not a challenge. Hope you decide to give it a go.
mgjordan
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David,
I guess a better example would have been law. Not many people understand law, but lawyers do. They understand the language and therefor understand the law. It is a lawyers job to make the law understandable by their clients. As with TGM. It is the instructors job to know the book and it is their job to put TGM into clear, precise, and understandable explanations to their students. If the student chooses to want to understand TGM for themselves, it is the instructors job to help them.
I guess a better example would have been law. Not many people understand law, but lawyers do. They understand the language and therefor understand the law. It is a lawyers job to make the law understandable by their clients. As with TGM. It is the instructors job to know the book and it is their job to put TGM into clear, precise, and understandable explanations to their students. If the student chooses to want to understand TGM for themselves, it is the instructors job to help them.
drewitgolf
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Well put
I love the analogy mgjordan. I do wish the "law" was written clearer. With attorneys it is self serving to be "complex."
Homer DID right the book for all of us duffers and I believe he felt he was as clear as he could be given the restraints he place on himself about size of the book, etc. It may not always be the case. Our shorcomings, not Mr. Kelley's.
I think also, Homer didn't want many of us to try and swallow chapter two overnight either.
AIs are the backbone of TGM, no dobut about it MGJ. More and better educated AIs are needed. I hope you will think about becoming one someday.
Homer DID right the book for all of us duffers and I believe he felt he was as clear as he could be given the restraints he place on himself about size of the book, etc. It may not always be the case. Our shorcomings, not Mr. Kelley's.
I think also, Homer didn't want many of us to try and swallow chapter two overnight either.
AIs are the backbone of TGM, no dobut about it MGJ. More and better educated AIs are needed. I hope you will think about becoming one someday.
David Alford
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No, I'm not going to start rewriting TGM as an "exercise".
The logic is simple: a) there is nothing in the golf swing that is really complex b) if there is nothing especially complex in the golf swing, it can be written about clearly.
Brian, good to hear. We appear to have found a point of agreement! Scary, isn't it?
The logic is simple: a) there is nothing in the golf swing that is really complex b) if there is nothing especially complex in the golf swing, it can be written about clearly.
Brian, good to hear. We appear to have found a point of agreement! Scary, isn't it?
Brian Manzella
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Yeah, that means you are only HALF a nut.
David Alford
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At least I have half a brain.
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