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Elkington's Swing
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dale47
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Why would the backward tilting of his head be of so much concern. The books prefers a "steady" head......not a dead head. There was this other great golfer who tilted his head also..i'll think of it.
The Basis Of Golf
Three parts of a Golf Club
1. Clubshaft
2. Clubface
3. Clubhead
Three Major Concepts of the Golf Stroke
1. Inclined Plane - Clubshaft
2. Hinge Action - Clubface
3. Centrifugal Force - Clubhead
Three Essentials For a Good Golf Stroke
1. Steady Head
2. Balance
3. Rhythm
Three Imperatives For a Good Golf Stroke
1. Flat Left Wrist at Impact
2. On Plane Club Shaft
3. Club Head Lag
The Principle of the Golf Game -
Line of Compression: Hitting the ball from the inside of the Target Line toward the outside of target with a Flat Left Wrist
Three Dimensions of the Golf Stoke - (on an Inclined Plane)
1. Downward
2. Outward
3. Forward
almost every good player has some backward shifting of the head on the downswing.
if the centre of the swing is the point between the shoulders, as the lower spine moves forward to create axis tilt, if the cetre remains stationary then the upper spine (the head) will move away from the target
Brian Manzella
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Are you one of the looneys that think the head is a good center?
That's not what I'm trying to say, I don't think the pivot center a golfer chooses will really matter but that's just me. If you look at this video of Ben Hogan: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_6M_xZvq0[/media] even though his secondary axis tilt has increased on the downswing his head in closer to the target at impact than it was at address (and his head isn't his pivot center). If you look at the sequence of Elkington on Golfwrx, his head is farther away from the target at impact than at address. This is the backwards head motion I'm referring to.
Brian Manzella
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Do you realize that video is shot on a TERRIBLE ANGLE, with the ball appearing WAY BACK for a Driver?
I will analyze anyway, unless you want to look at a better sequence.
I will analyze anyway, unless you want to look at a better sequence.
I don't think the camera angle is going to affect the way the head is perceived to move. No matter how you look at it, if the head moves back it will appear to do so. If the head moves forward it will appear to do so, it doesn't matter what camera angle is used. Look at this video of Elkington:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ire3zME9q8E[/media]
His head is falling way back. Now I realize that this is when he worked with P&B, but he has done this throughout his career and it is exacerbated with his driver as it requires a shallow angle of attack. If the camera angle is the problem with the Hogan video then look at this sequence of Hogan: [media]http://www.hogansangle.com/images/BenHoganImpactSequence1.jpg[/media]
The camera is at an angle so that the ball is seen up in his stance, and once again his head is closer to the target at impact than at address.
Brian Manzella
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So you want me to analyze the crooked video.
Cool.
Realize you ain't playing with no kids here.
Cool.
Realize you ain't playing with no kids here.
So you want me to analyze the crooked video.
Cool.
Realize you ain't playing with no kids here.
No, you don't need to analyze the video if it is crooked. I posted another swing sequence, and I hope you'd agree that Hogan's head moves in a manner that is totally different than Elkington's. Hogan's is going forward, and Elkington's is going backwards, in the "crooked" video, and in the swing sequence.
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Brian Manzella
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Unless you haven't realized, I have said ANYTHING AT ALL about Elkington's swing.
Zero.
Don't assume you know what I think of it.
I will analyze the crooked video just for fun.
Now, where did you get that "other" marked-up Hogan sequence??
Unless you haven't realized, I have said ANYTHING AT ALL about Elkington's swing.
Zero.
Don't assume you know what I think of it.
I will analyze the crooked video just for fun.
Now, where did you get that "other" marked-up Hogan sequence??
Well I am sorry for making assumptions, but I was thinking that since you were posting in a thread about Elkington's swing you were trying to make some reference to it. I wasn't really sure what to make of this statement: "Realize you ain't playing with no kids here." or this one "Are you one of the looneys that think the head is a good center?" I thought you were talking about my thoughts on Elkington's swing. I would really like to see your analysis of the Hogan swing video, though. Thanks very much for offering to.
Brian Manzella
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You got it!
Brian Manzella
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mjstrong
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It doesn't look like his head moves at all...although it is definitely behind the ball, and not in between the feet.
EDIT: It doesn't look like it moves much laterally, anyways.
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tongzilla
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his head moves back during the backswing, but it also moves FORWARDS during the downswing. Not a lot of players do that.
kept his hips closed from some time before unwinding.
so many things about this swing that makes it hogan.
do we think hogan was hitting this shot with an open stance?
if we were to view this video from a direct face-on view, it would make hogans head look much further behind the ball, but it would also make the forward motion of his head more pronounced.
i think this particular video has cause so much confusion in the golf world. it pronounces his right hip movement, creating the "hang on left side" image, and the stationary head idea
if we were to view this video from a direct face-on view, it would make hogans head look much further behind the ball, but it would also make the forward motion of his head more pronounced.
i think this particular video has cause so much confusion in the golf world. it pronounces his right hip movement, creating the "hang on left side" image, and the stationary head idea
Brian Manzella
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This video is OBVIOUSLY CROOKED.
Hogan played the ball quite forward with a driver, and used a CLOSED stance.
thefuture37
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how does it pronounce his right hip movement? He looks like he hangs left because he has a wide enough stance that he can shift his weight fully into his right side without looking like he stands up the right leg. That isnt the clearest sentence but Im sure you understand.
most people shouldnt try to swing like hogan because they cant get their lower bodies to move like him.
Guitar Hero
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most people shouldnt try to swing like hogan because they cant get their lower bodies to move like him.[/QUOTE]
Just the opposite. To copy Hogan’s pivot is a good thing and if you know how to do it, it is easy to produce. Learn the correct sequence of the knees and hip rotation and it is a snap.
Just the opposite. To copy Hogan’s pivot is a good thing and if you know how to do it, it is easy to produce. Learn the correct sequence of the knees and hip rotation and it is a snap.
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