Els vs.Weir(Brian) Stacked Up?

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Redgoat: How are the Chad Campbell swing pic prospects looking? I know that on one post where there was a Ernie Els swing link that Brian said that Els looked like he had a bit of a reverse pivot. I prefer the look of Weir . What is the idea behind being " stacked up"? Thanks
 
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Hue,

Stacked up refers to the shoulders on top of the hips approaching impact. This differs from Brian's and Weir's picture of tilting away from the target.

BTW, you have mail...

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Redgoat,

Could the club being used (wedge or short iron) have some bearing on the body shape Ernie employes in your pic'?

The link below shows him with his left hip in front of his left shoulder (NOT stacked up) when using a full swing.

Ernie, full swing
 
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Burner,

Absolutely! The driver stance is wider, so the "stacked up" look is a little different.

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To get this stacked up look the player would have to have less axis tilt at impact . So does this type of player have less axis tilt at address and a smaller hip bump in transition too achieve the stacked up look ? Thanks.
 
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The angle of attack of the club head to the back of the ball appears steeper in the "Stacked up" swing. Is this the reason for this variation? Who teaches this type of swing? Thanks.
 
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Hue,

Steeper may be too strong a word. It is less from the inside. It isn't necessarily a method but is one end of the spectrum vs. the excessively tilted. The player is more on top of the ball and less behind at impact.

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I disagree in that I believe Els does have SOME tilt (noticeable amount at impact). Yes, certainly not to the same degree as Weir.

A common theme with Leadbetter (and ex-Lead instructors) instructors is to get the body and club working together, unimpeded, through impact.

DL:"The proper sequencing of motion is the Holy Grail of golf instruction. The only reason I change a player's positions during the swing is to improve the synchronicity of the hands, arm, body and clubhead. Not to make it look better..."

They don't want the body moving way ahead of the upper torso, which causes the hands to get "flippy" through impact and leads to inconsistency eventually.

Redgoat, I'd like to hear your opinion as to which is better...

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BTW Brian, seems as if Lead will come out with a new article that is similar to yours in Jan 04 GD ("David Leadbetter: To cure a slice, feel the left wrist bowed at the top of your backswing")
 
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Ragman,

I agree that if the lower body gets moving too quickly, the excessive tilt created can cause the hands to get flippy. It also tends to drop the club too far under leading to pushes, hooks, and inconsistency.

I would rather see a very "stacked" impact position. I agree that Els has some tilt, but not much. I would rather see that than Weir's.

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Redgoat: In those pics Els looks like he is bending more from the hips then Weir. If that is the case, wouldn't Brian's statement about "MORE WAIST BEND=LESS AXIS TILT" apply here?
Or am I reading it all wrong Brian?

FYI: For those who are not aware, Brian statement came from the topic 'Ben Doyle's address. More bend from hips' (http://d4358519.s74.snitz.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=273)
 
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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Weir has THROWAWAY!

Els looks silly.

I'd fix 'em both.

Really.
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"Els looks silly"?

TOP golfer IN THE WORLD (Internationally, of course - 2003) silly?
 
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