Els vs.Weir(Brian) Stacked Up?
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I can hit it with zero axis tilt.
But I hit it better with the PROPER amount for me and the club and the shot and the ball position and the waist bend.
Silly may not be a "technical" term Brady, but "stacked" isn't either
But I hit it better with the PROPER amount for me and the club and the shot and the ball position and the waist bend.
Silly may not be a "technical" term Brady, but "stacked" isn't either
Redgoat
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Hue,
Excessive tilt can not only cause throwaway, but can lead to injury as well. There is nothing wrong with some tilt, I personally don't push my students to get more tilt, more lag, or more descending blow.
To me, Els looks anything but silly, he looks like he is in sync and on top of the ball. I still haven't heard what is silly about his pictures.
Here is another example of a PREFERENCE between tilted early and stacked
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=3d122032-787a-37de-3eab-43565ce4240a&size=
BTW Hue, don't discount Lumpy for most stacked...
Redgoat
Excessive tilt can not only cause throwaway, but can lead to injury as well. There is nothing wrong with some tilt, I personally don't push my students to get more tilt, more lag, or more descending blow.
To me, Els looks anything but silly, he looks like he is in sync and on top of the ball. I still haven't heard what is silly about his pictures.
Here is another example of a PREFERENCE between tilted early and stacked
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=3d122032-787a-37de-3eab-43565ce4240a&size=
BTW Hue, don't discount Lumpy for most stacked...
Redgoat
The pic on the left is from a downhill lie....quote:Originally posted by Redgoat
Hue,
Excessive tilt can not only cause throwaway, but can lead to injury as well. There is nothing wrong with some tilt, I personally don't push my students to get more tilt, more lag, or more descending blow.
To me, Els looks anything but silly, he looks like he is in sync and on top of the ball. I still haven't heard what is silly about his pictures.
Here is another example of a PREFERENCE between tilted early and stacked
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=3d122032-787a-37de-3eab-43565ce4240a&size=
BTW Hue, don't discount Lumpy for most stacked...
Redgoat
quote:Originally posted by Redgoat
Hue,
Excessive tilt can not only cause throwaway, but can lead to injury as well. There is nothing wrong with some tilt, I personally don't push my students to get more tilt, more lag, or more descending blow.
To me, Els looks anything but silly, he looks like he is in sync and on top of the ball. I still haven't heard what is silly about his pictures.
Here is another example of a PREFERENCE between tilted early and stacked
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=3d122032-787a-37de-3eab-43565ce4240a&size=
BTW Hue, don't discount Lumpy for most stacked...
Redgoat
Redgoat: Is the player on the left Davis Love? Who is the player on the right?
"Excessive tilt can not only cause throwaway, but can lead to injury as well." Redgoat
"Weir has THROWAWAY!" Brianman.
Redgoat: In your opinion do you think that Weir has excessive tilt? Thanks.
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quote:Originally posted by hue
"Stacked" is the technical term for having large breasts. So Phil Mickelson should be the most stacked player on tour.
Brian and Redgoat: Could you go into detail why prefer your respective options and why you do not like the alternative one ? Thanks.
Hue, you forgot Monty! He's at least a D cup.
It is Davis Love on left and Jesper on right, I do not believe the practice tee as Sea Island is downhill, but I could be wrong, but everyone still must remember when comparing photos that camera angle can greatly affect what we think we see.
Brady, do you have the impact and followthough photos of Jesper?
He does have a quite a bit of tilt, but I have seen photos of him with absolutly no throwaway, holding his right wrist bend well past impact. Just curious.
Brian, what is the function of axis tilt in your opinion, I think I know your answer, and can you have too much tilt relativly speaking, I know you can overdo everything but at what point would you tell someone they have too much tilt?
Thanks,
Todd
Brady, do you have the impact and followthough photos of Jesper?
He does have a quite a bit of tilt, but I have seen photos of him with absolutly no throwaway, holding his right wrist bend well past impact. Just curious.
Brian, what is the function of axis tilt in your opinion, I think I know your answer, and can you have too much tilt relativly speaking, I know you can overdo everything but at what point would you tell someone they have too much tilt?
Thanks,
Todd
Brian Manzella
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You HAVE TO Tilt your axis to get your right shoulder on plane.
Have to.
Unless you are playing with a junior set
Have to.
Unless you are playing with a junior set
Brian Manzella
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Show me a REALLY great player without axis tilt..
I mean Jones, Hagen, Sarazen, Hogan, Snead, Nelson, Nicklaus, Palmer, Player, Watson, Faldo, Trevino, Woods....
They ALL had it.
all
I mean Jones, Hagen, Sarazen, Hogan, Snead, Nelson, Nicklaus, Palmer, Player, Watson, Faldo, Trevino, Woods....
They ALL had it.
all
The line on the Els pics show a little tilt at impact, but it's not much different from his address spine tilt. I'm not sure, is Brian saying that Els doesn't have any tilt in that pic or just not enough axis tilt?
Redgoat,
Are you saying that it’s a matter of "Too Much/Too Little" tilt?
...which basically is applies to everything about the golf swing. For example, somebody posted a Paul Bertholy video drill a while back. I couldn’t stand looking at it. There was just too much tilt. Obviously, somebody else could look at the same drill and like it b/c he’s not getting enough tilt at all.
Just like you said:
when I get too much axis tilt when hitting my irons, then I start pushing my shots. I’ve done that drill where I use a cardboard driver box inside and parallel to the target line w/ the shaft of my iron lightly touching the box. As I swing down, if I purposely get too much axis tilt then I tend to hit the box (I’m too inside). I just have to have the right amount of axis tilt so that I come down on plane nicely in-to-in.
Are there any other drills which help find the correct amount of tilt?
A few years back I watched Mike Weir hit balls at some golf club during a rest week. It was beautiful. Beautiful balance in the follow-through. I think it was the very next day, he was at the same spot and his shots were horrible and he seemed like a different person entirely. I was stunned. Of course, I have no clue why the big difference. But I remember thinking that on both days he seemed more “on-top” of the ball at impact. That picture you posted, is that his typical axis tilt?
Redgoat,
Are you saying that it’s a matter of "Too Much/Too Little" tilt?
...which basically is applies to everything about the golf swing. For example, somebody posted a Paul Bertholy video drill a while back. I couldn’t stand looking at it. There was just too much tilt. Obviously, somebody else could look at the same drill and like it b/c he’s not getting enough tilt at all.
Just like you said:
when I get too much axis tilt when hitting my irons, then I start pushing my shots. I’ve done that drill where I use a cardboard driver box inside and parallel to the target line w/ the shaft of my iron lightly touching the box. As I swing down, if I purposely get too much axis tilt then I tend to hit the box (I’m too inside). I just have to have the right amount of axis tilt so that I come down on plane nicely in-to-in.
Are there any other drills which help find the correct amount of tilt?
A few years back I watched Mike Weir hit balls at some golf club during a rest week. It was beautiful. Beautiful balance in the follow-through. I think it was the very next day, he was at the same spot and his shots were horrible and he seemed like a different person entirely. I was stunned. Of course, I have no clue why the big difference. But I remember thinking that on both days he seemed more “on-top” of the ball at impact. That picture you posted, is that his typical axis tilt?
Redgoat
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Hue,
Yes, I do think that Weir has excessive tilt in that particular picture.
BTW, I never said that minimal tilt is bad, just that I think it is over emphasized in many cases.
Pro, here is the Parnevik pic..
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=42e1599b-3d79-15cd-54a9-567d38e2486d&size=
Redgoat
Yes, I do think that Weir has excessive tilt in that particular picture.
BTW, I never said that minimal tilt is bad, just that I think it is over emphasized in many cases.
Pro, here is the Parnevik pic..
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=42e1599b-3d79-15cd-54a9-567d38e2486d&size=
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