Fade and Draws

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Jim Kobylinski

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doubled said:
Sure, if I kept one. Let's say I'd give a scratch 2 a side. What's the point?
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The point is this:

If you are that low of a handi and can truly hit 60% of your shots where you want, then you shouldn't worry about it. The ball is doing what you want 60% of the time and you are a 0-2.

Work on your short game.
 
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I normally enjoy your posts, but you just touched a nerve...

Jim Kobylinski said:
The point is this:

If you are that low of a handi and can truly hit 60% of your shots where you want, then you shouldn't worry about it. The ball is doing what you want 60% of the time and you are a 0-2.

Work on your short game.
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Jim,

If you think DoubleD is pulling your leg about how good he is, I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Brian once wrote "one day, when we have a BrianManzela.com Open, doubled will be one of the favorites". So, I think Kevin (DoubleD) has earned the right to be interested in whatever he wants to be interested in.

Actually, in my opinion, even a 36 handicapper has the right to be interested in whatever he wants to be interested in. We're all intelligent human beings (well, for the most part ;)) that can decide for ourselves what we want to worry about. If the topic doesn't interest you, you can just move on to another topic. Lecturing someone that hasn't requested your advice about what they ought to be working on seems controlling and disrespectful.

Thanks,
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Kevin Shields

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Jim Kobylinski said:
The point is this:

If you are that low of a handi and can truly hit 60% of your shots where you want, then you shouldn't worry about it. The ball is doing what you want 60% of the time and you are a 0-2.

Work on your short game.
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You got a lot of nerve, I'll give you that.

I'm not 'worried' about anything. I'm just pointing out that just because it is written in that book, doesn't make it so. Pop instruction would make you believe that a high finish is a fade and low is a draw. I think it is a relevant point and if you don't, just ignore it. And my short game is just fine, thank you.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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doubled said:
You got a lot of nerve, I'll give you that.

I'm not 'worried' about anything. I'm just pointing out that just because it is written in that book, doesn't make it so. Pop instruction would make you believe that a high finish is a fade and low is a draw. I think it is a relevant point and if you don't, just ignore it. And my short game is just fine, thank you.
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My post was taken COMPLETELY out of context as can happen on the internet.

All i'm saying is the ball is doing what you want, so it really shouldn't matter how YOU are making it do what you want. You are a low handicap and can move the ball around pretty consistently (60% is high and correlates with your ability).

That's why i said to just work on your short game and putting.

Again, taken completely the wrong way.
 
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Jared Willerson

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Jim, doubled is a little better than a low handicap, he is a PLUS 4, and as Brian has so eloquently stated before, "If there were ever a Brian Manzella.com Open....doubled would be one of the favorites"
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Jim, doubled is a little better than a low handicap, he is a PLUS 4, and as Brian has so eloquently stated before, "If there were ever a Brian Manzella.com Open....doubled would be one of the favorites"
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My mistake, i re-read his response and said he'd have to GIVE scratch 2 shots.

so that just re-enforces my point that, at his level (+4) he should really just do his best to improve his putting and short game to try and score as low as possible all the time and/or when he's off to save as many pars as possible.

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I've learned that too often, many of us (including me) get too involved with things that really don't matter in regards to getting the ball in the hole.

that's all i'm trying to say...the ball is doing what you want, not much else matters so just improve your putting and short game.
 
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Kevin Shields

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Just to clarify, I didn't bring these points up because I worry about them in my own game. I'm simply saying that a high finish doesn't mean fade and vice versa. If that helps some players, fine. If no one cares, that's fine, too. But you can't tell me Hogan is fading the ball in that top photo.
 
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Doubled,
Like a wise old pro told me years ago, "let's go tee it up and play for what you are uncomfortable with!" I will caddy.
 
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I was fading the ball using both finishing positions on the course... You can do anything with a golf ball once you control the 3 elements in my signature. I'll gamble at any game, just let me create the line:)
 
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