First Move Down

[north-bc]

I am really trying to work on a few things this winter and one of them is the first move down. Is the first move to start the right elbow in front of the right hip and then start the pivot?

Thanks,
Todd
[8D]

 

[southpaw]

Depends what your issues are. Are you an over-the-top pull slicer, or a hooker/pusher of the ball? Where do your divots point?

The first move down is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[EdZ]

crack the whip (your body)from the ground up.... the handle of the whip is your left foot, the tip, the sweetspot. The whip action travels through your body (up the left leg, through the body, shoulder, wrists, club, impact)

Do this in slow motion, in front of a mirror.

 

[pixie]

EdZ,
are people really supposed to learn what to do from your posts?

 

[Mathew]

Recently ive been looking at Brians post on the two forces on the downswing and understanding them eliminating the unwanted forces..... its a very good artical.

 

[EdZ]

pixie - I'm not responsible for the intelligence of the reader, if you can't get it, try asking for more detail, rather than just insulting me. Plenty of folks find my posts helpful, so it must just be you.

 

[EdZ]

Mathew - agreed... that is one of the better ones (the lag article is still tops IMO)

 

[pixie]

somebody asks a common question about what moves down first. does he bring his right elbow down and then start the pivot?
Your answer is to 'crack the whip.' Where is he supposed to go with that?
For God sakes, don't give typical false guru statements like "To be strong, you must be weak." or any kind of vague BS.
What starts down first, and how? Why are there differences?

 

[EdZ]

The movement is as follows

gravity

The left foot
the left knee
the left hip
the left side
the left shoulder
the left arm
the left wrist
the shaft
the clubhead
impact

any other order gives up lag
give up lag, and you have lost power and control

And just for you pixie - it really doesn't matter what the body does

the swinging on plane force rules all - basic physics

 

[EdZ]

gunga, gungalunga.... gunga, gungalunga....

Be the ball

(the guru)

 

[rcw]

I agree with Pixie. EdZ do you study TGM ? Just curious.

 

[southpaw]

Okay, but north-bc still hasn't answered my question... "what's your common miss?" Until he does, we're just giving him a lot of good, but generic advice that doesn't necessarily work in context with his problems.

 

[EdZ]

I study golf.... TGM is solid info, but I don't consider it any more or less than any other info, it is not my focus, but I understand its merit.

 

[denny.]

EDZ what other info can be in the same class.Things like Hebron stuff is pretty good because it is Homer stuff.

 

[EdZ]

Hebron stuff covers much, much more than Homer.... it is history.

It's all physics, the rest is how you convey that to someone else

 

[densikat]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

Hebron stuff covers much, much more than Homer.... it is history.

It's all physics, the rest is how you convey that to someone else

Hebron's stuff is from Homer.... IMO TGM is the definitive resource in instruction, no "my way" stuff, just a catalogue of the components that can be used to build a golf swing.

 

[McDuff]

I'm with Pixie as well.. simple question "what starts the downswing?" All those left only body parts moving sounds like a ball going right to me.

 

[Mathew]

quote:Originally posted by McDuff

I'm with Pixie as well.. simple question "what starts the downswing?" All those left only body parts moving sounds like a ball going right to me.

I have another answer for what starts the downswing - intention....

 

[EdZ]

Where did I say 'only' the left? The right supports the left, but not at the 'start' of the downswing.... that list is the sequence of the cracking whip. Does anyone here think that isn't accurate - lets here it. Regardless of what the right side does, that list must happen in sequence (and yes, the right side is just as important)

TGM is a great source of the 'what', and the 'why', but not the 'how' - so no, I don't consider it the greatest thing since sliced bread like some.... which isn't to say I don'think it is one of the better contributions to the swing, only that it isn't everything.... if it were, people could just read it and be scratch players without any help.

An oustanding tool\framework for instruction, but not the be all end all....

 

[dude]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

TGM is a great source of the 'what', and the 'why', but not the 'how' - so no, I don't consider it the greatest thing since sliced bread like some.... which isn't to say I don'think it is one of the better contributions to the swing, only that it isn't everything.... if it were, people could just read it and be scratch players without any help.

An oustanding tool\framework for instruction, but not the be all end all....

The above is based on what? Attending the classes? Hanging out with those well versed in the content of the book and Homer's work? Your own personnal opinion based on what you can cipher from the text?

I'm just that box of rocks trying to figure where you fall in the big schema of things. Of course, you don't have to answer any of the above, it is a beautiful medium, is it not?

Thanks

golfingrandy