Fit swing to clubs or clubs to swing. How do you know which to do?

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danattherock

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natep said:
I understand.

It's hard to tell from the front view what the angle is between your left arm and the clubshaft at address. Do you feel like you have to excessively lift your hands or downcock your wrists at address to get the sole of the club to lay flat?
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When I take a few weeks (or more) off from golf, when I start back playing regularly, I fight two things. One, the distance I stand from the ball. It takes some trial and error to find the exact spot. The second thing, the bigger of the two, is how high I hold my hands at address. Meaning, hands on handle, I go up or down an inch or two trying to find "the spot". Not talking about grip, I mean literally how far from the ground my grip is. This spot is where I can make a back swing from and make good solid contact. If my hands are too high, the swing feels weird. If my hands are too low, feels weird and I swing around my body too much. There is this one spot (height wise) where my hands feel natural for a lack of a better term. When playing, I feel this more or less all the time. Or I should say, when I am playing well. But when I don't hit balls for a few weeks, this is the first thing I have to figure out when I get back to swining the club. This is one of the things that make me wonder about clubfit. Everything I read says your hands hand down in a natural position at address. I don't feel this way. I work to find the position. Could be me, but not sure anymore.


-Dan
 
natep

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I think it's just a matter of preference. Some players like to let their arms hang naturally, other like to reach out a bit to the ball. Personally I prefer to reach a bit. I'm 6'1" and I like to stand as tall as possible at address. If I let my arms hang naturally they'll be too close to my body.

If the spot where you feel comfortable allows the sole of the club to lay flat, then you should be fine.

Low Hands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYkU0K7GtFg&feature=related

High hands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NobibXaWyc&feature=related

Both can work.
 
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SteveT

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Jamie Sadlowski -- 5'11" and 165 lbs. = 2.324 lbs/inch of height

SteveT -- 6'3" = 75" x 2.324 lbs/inch = 174.3 lbs.


footwedge, softconsult and greenfree are sooooo jealous .. eat that fatboys .... :D


footwedge said:
Steve T x inflated ego = fathead...LOL.
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Better a fathead than your fatbutt and fatbelly ... and swinging like a windmill... :p
 
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SteveT

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natep said:
I think it's just a matter of preference. Some players like to let their arms hang naturally, other like to reach out a bit to the ball. Personally I prefer to reach a bit. I'm 6'1" and I like to stand as tall as possible at address. If I let my arms hang naturally they'll be too close to my body.
If the spot where you feel comfortable allows the sole of the club to lay flat, then you should be fine.
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natep .. this is all covered in LAWs of the Golf Swing ... Dan must determine his optimal swing style and then determine if he can execute it.
 
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footwedge

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SteveT said:
Jamie Sadlowski -- 5'11" and 165 lbs. = 2.324 lbs/inch of height

SteveT -- 6'3" = 75" x 2.324 lbs/inch = 174.3 lbs.


footwedge, softconsult and greenfree are sooooo jealous .. eat that fatboys .... :D
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Steve T x inflated ego = fathead...LOL.:p
 
danattherock

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SteveT said:
Jamie Sadlowski -- 5'11" and 165 lbs. = 2.324 lbs/inch of height
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Yeah, that is great. He is a good sized 4th grader.


But can he do this....
























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Thanks for the video links Nate.

-Dan
 
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greenfree

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SteveT said:
Jamie Sadlowski -- 5'11" and 165 lbs. = 2.324 lbs/inch of height

SteveT -- 6'3" = 75" x 2.324 lbs/inch = 174.3 lbs.


footwedge, softconsult and greenfree are sooooo jealous .. eat that fatboys .... :D
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Mirror, Mirror on the wall....


Hi, my name is Steve T and i'm 6'3" and weigh 174.3 lbs. and i play ladies clubs and powder puff golf, i also like to brag and i know everything about everything just ask me and i'll tell you, and people are sooooo jealous of me. :rolleyes:
 
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footwedge

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SteveT said:
Jamie Sadlowski -- 5'11" and 165 lbs. = 2.324 lbs/inch of height

SteveT -- 6'3" = 75" x 2.324 lbs/inch = 174.3 lbs.


footwedge, softconsult and greenfree are sooooo jealous .. eat that fatboys .... :D




Better a fathead than your fatbutt and fatbelly ... and swinging like a windmill... :p
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That's it? that's all that great intellect can come up with as a comeback, "very thin":D...LOL.:p
 
Olof Karlson

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SteveT, since I am both taller and lighter than you, I must be a superior human being and I should definitively be the best golfer on this forum... Oh, since I'm not the best golfer here there must be something else to it :p
 
danattherock

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Generally speaking...


What effect would clubs that are too upright have?

What about clubs that are too flat?


fade, slice, draw, push, block, pull, etc....
 
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cwdlaw223

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natep -

Does a flatter lie angle (assuming a clean strike and square face) cause the club path to be more to the right because the VSP is flatter than a more upright lie angled club (assuming clean strike and square face on this club as well)?
 
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SteveT

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natep said:
If your clubs are too upright then you will be hitting the ball with the toe up in the air. Now the true direction of your clubface will be pointing left of your target, even if the leading edge is square to the target.

This lie angle tool shows where the face is aimed:
This should give you a good idea of what happens to the direction of the face as it is tilted toe up at impact.
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natep ... however at Address, shouldn't your clubs should be soled slightly towards the heel to compensate for the shaft droop through Impact. If your club lies are too flat, you will be hitting on the toe and either hooking or slicing.

There is not only a dynamic loft, there is a dynamic lie too.

Then there is the closing of the club face for clubs with CofG set back from the face. No wonder good golfers only want muscleback irons where the CofG is close to the club face .. they don't want too many variables to control at high speed.

Btw ... can that magnetic gizmo stick to a titanium faced club? :confused:
 
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savydan

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Whoa.

Lie angle and VSP are two different things.

You can have a 60* lie angle 5-iron, with VSP's of 50* or 70*, and both could produce perfectly soled hits.
 
natep

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savydan said:
Whoa.

Lie angle and VSP are two different things.

You can have a 60* lie angle 5-iron, with VSP's of 50* or 70*, and both could produce perfectly soled hits.
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Yes, but he asked about a flatter VSP.

I assumed he meant like the difference in VSP between a 5 wood and a PW. I could be wrong.
 
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natep said:
Yes, but he asked about a flatter VSP.

I assumed he meant like the difference in VSP between a 5 wood and a PW. I could be wrong.
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Yes, I should have addressed law, with the assumption that flatter lies require flatter VSP's to produce correctly soled hits.

Not you, I just see a lot of intermixing of:

Actualites/absolutes/how it works

versus

Tendencies/observations/rules of thumb

that cloud up the issue and lead to confusion. :)
 
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