Fixing TGM....(?)

[Brian Manzella]

All this knowledge...

...gone to waste.

Really, dude.

I STILL don't know how YOU SAY the club gets started and I STILL DON'T KNOW if YOU SAY there are multiple WAYS it COULD get started.

I know you know what you are talking about, but you are HORRIBLE at explaining yourself.

I am great at explaining myself and other's opinions,

"Let me HELP you."

Answer the two questions and you'll get the BEST discussion and YOUR DESERVED CREDIT for knowing your subject, that you will get anywhere.

Ok?

 

[ej20]

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink"

You will have to lead yourself. Take personal responsibility... Try a university curriculum in either engineering or physics of course you will have to graduate from highschool before the consider admiting you. I don't spoon feed.



Thats what those in the know call pure unadulterated hogwash. Circular motion can be analyzed in ANY repeat ANY frame of reference.



In who's theory? Yours? Got knews... Inertia is a property of all matter. If it has mass it has inertia. Just because you calculating in a non-inertial reference frame does not mean inertia suddenly disappears. All of Newton's laws apply. The ONLY time they begin to break down is when velocities begin to approach the speed of light. That ONLY happens at the sub-atomic and or intergalactic travel levels. While gravity is real and everyone (sans perhaps you) agree is fully explained via Newtonian physics (I refer you to his universal law of gravitation), Homers's fiction (lets call it Homer's folly) is not real and has no really effect.

Now I ask you in all seriousness... Where are you getting this stuff? I have to wonder... is our education system really that flawed?



Need I remind you that this thread is about the physics of the golf swing? Seeing how your experience have not equiped to comment intelligently on such things perhaps you should confine yourself to theads in which fanciful ideas that not linked to sound scientific thought process are expounded to explain what happens in the golf swing. That leaves you.... well the rest of this forum doesn't it.

Hahaha.Newton did not fully explain gravity and for your knowledge,gravity is also considered a fictitious force.If you drop something it will accelerate at 9.8m/s until it hits the ground.Nothing physically acted on the object so how did it accelerate?Doesn't this violate the principle of inertia?Tell me how Newton explained this phenomenon?

And why are you getting so worked up over a golf discussion?Perhaps Newton could explain that as well.

 

[nmgolfer]

Hahaha.Newton did not fully explain gravity and for your knowledge,gravity is also considered a fictitious force.If you drop something it will accelerate at 9.8m/s until it hits the ground.Nothing physically acted on the object so how did it accelerate?Doesn't this violate the principle of inertia?Tell me how Newton explained this phenomenon?.

This is no longer productive. I'm here in regards to discussing fixing TGM. I'm not here to teach high school physics. You'll have to seek answers to your questions elsewhere. If "led you to water"; ... read about Newtons Universal Law of Gravitation... its up to you to drink. If you're to "proud" to learn... if you're comfortable in your "ignorance" (and I use that word in the true sense, not the deraugatory one) that is fine by me too. You see... I don't care what you think. Makes no difference to me whatsoever.

And why are you getting so worked up over a golf discussion?Perhaps Newton could explain that as well.

I'm not worked up... iritated at the open hostility visited apon me by the likes of you and everyone else who thinks Homer a saint and the little yellow book, golfswing gospel... yes perhaps a little. But increasingly that's the "American way" isn't it. Some call it obnoxiousness.

P.S.>>>

If you drop something it will accelerate at 9.8m/s until it hits the ground.

That's 9.8 m/s^2 .... but only at one very specific latitude. I see you much to learn and I wish you good luck

 

[Brian Manzella]

Hey dude this ain't no Kool-Aid stand.

Maybe you don't know this, nmgolfer, but I am very good at making sense of things.

You are not.

But, you are very bright and know your subject.

So, please, I ask one more time before this thread becomes even less readable:

Answer the question:

What makes the HANDS move the club from the top, and if there are multiple ways, in your opinion, what are they?

Please, no other posts on this thread until this is answered by nmgolfer.

 

[mandrin]

As soon as I can get my hands on mathematica (wolfram's software) or the equivalent, I indent to solve the coupled differential equations and show exactly how the "flail" works

nmgolfer,

Solving some coupled differential equations to show the world all about flail is fine but it shows that you are not aware this has been done already.

You are trying to get a lot of mileage from knowledge of some notions of physics, but better do your home work first. Ammunition is somewhat wet…

 

[nmgolfer]

nmgolfer,

Solving some coupled differential equations to show the world all about flail is fine but it shows that you are not aware this has been done already.

You are trying to get a lot of mileage from knowledge of some notions of physics, but better do your home work first. Ammunition is somewhat wet…

Yes... of course it has been done. Everything has been done. But has it been done right and where is it? Its not in Jorgenson's golf physics. Its not in Newton the the Tee. Its not in TGM. Where is it? I've googled and come up empty handed. I don't relish the thought of "reinventing the wheel". So mandarin I would appreciate it if you would provide a link to this analysis you say (and I agree most likely) has been. No don't show me and abstract requesting money to download a paper that may or may not have the analysis. I want a link to the analysis. Its put-up or shut-up time.

BM...

What do you have to say about Wishon's latest research specifically how it contradicts what the little yellow golf gospel book (and your own logo) says about "lag"? Answer me that answer man (start a new thread if you feel its appropriate).

 

[birdie_man]

Are you really this bitter in person?

 

[BigD]

Yes... of course it has been done. Everything has been done. But has it been done right and where is it? Its not in Jorgenson's golf physics. Its not in Newton the the Tee. Its not in TGM. Where is it? I've googled and come up empty handed. I don't relish the thought of "reinventing the wheel". So mandarin I would appreciate it if you would provide a link to this analysis you say (and I agree most likely) has been. No don't show me and abstract requesting money to download a paper that may or may not have the analysis. I want a link to the analysis. Its put-up or shut-up time.

BM...

What do you have to say about Wishon's latest research specifically how it contradicts what the little yellow golf gospel book (and your own logo) says about "lag"? Answer me that answer man (start a new thread if you feel its appropriate).

Please don't tell us you are referring to Tom Wishon?

 

[Perfect Impact]

I share what may be perceived as "bitterness" if I may jump in here, and mine comes from the frauds committed on the golfing publicm in general. I have developed a very deep passion for "helping the victims" of this fraud - those who have had such bitter experiences from what purports to be instruction and are still desperate - after decades!!!! and STILL don't have good answers. Obviously it isn't all teaching that deserves this response: only 99% of it. Turns out that almost all truly good teaching comes from such as Tiger's dad, the uncle helping Sonny, the father correctly showing his kid how the golf swing is the "same" as his little league baseball swing, and so on. Golf magazines, infomercials, politically correct PGA manual teaching, and other marketing schemes are what have done the most harm, I would surmise.

I remember a one half hour, $100 session with "the PGA Teacher of the Year" in Longboat Key in 1992 in which the pro gave me 20 minutes of saying nothing, except "stand a little taller". No explanation, no help, no information, nothing. It did nothing for me and I got worse than nothing for my investment of time, travel, and expectation.

Teacher of the Year. Yup.

My own philosophy is that the pupil deserves INFORMATION, and CORRECT information, at that.

And another element of this: there is a huge difference between getting it from a 14.4 speed modem and DSL, to say nothing of whether it is useful to YOU, and whether it is even correct. It might be "correct" in some context or other, but it is patronizing and most unprofessional when it is slapped on a pupil without ENABLING AND ENLIGHTENING HIM THROUGH HIS OWN INTELLIGENT GRASP.

Sign me up with the "embittereds."

 

[Brian Manzella]

What do you have to say about Wishon's latest research specifically how it contradicts what the little yellow golf gospel book (and your own logo) says about "lag"? Answer me that answer man (start a new thread if you feel its appropriate).

Hey dude, I'm try to HELP YOU. I want to put all of this stuff of yours in a USEABLE form. Keep up the insults and be ready to have some hurled your way.

Ok...

What does Wishon's reseacrh say?

 

[Tom Bartlett]

Yes... of course it has been done. Everything has been done. But has it been done right and where is it? Its not in Jorgenson's golf physics. Its not in Newton the the Tee. Its not in TGM. Where is it? I've googled and come up empty handed. I don't relish the thought of "reinventing the wheel". So mandarin I would appreciate it if you would provide a link to this analysis you say (and I agree most likely) has been. No don't show me and abstract requesting money to download a paper that may or may not have the analysis. I want a link to the analysis. Its put-up or shut-up time.

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Posted by NMGOLFER "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. You will have to lead yourself. Take personal responsibility... Try a university curriculum in either engineering or physics of course you will have to graduate from highschool before the consider admiting you. I don't spoon feed."

 

[Steve Khatib]

Yes... of course it has been done. Everything has been done. But has it been done right and where is it? Its not in Jorgenson's golf physics. Its not in Newton the the Tee. Its not in TGM. Where is it? I've googled and come up empty handed. I don't relish the thought of "reinventing the wheel". So mandarin I would appreciate it if you would provide a link to this analysis you say (and I agree most likely) has been. No don't show me and abstract requesting money to download a paper that may or may not have the analysis. I want a link to the analysis. Its put-up or shut-up time.

BM...

What do you have to say about Wishon's latest research specifically how it contradicts what the little yellow golf gospel book (and your own logo) says about "lag"? Answer me that answer man (start a new thread if you feel its appropriate).

The book Newton on the tee has some flaws, I was shocked at some of the subjective coments made in it when I read it.

 

[jmessner]

What do you have to say about Wishon's latest research specifically how it contradicts what the little yellow golf gospel book (and your own logo) says about "lag"? Answer me that answer man (start a new thread if you feel its appropriate).

Not sure, but are you talking about the findings that the clubhead actually leads the shaft at impact for most swings? That's not really new although Wishon has better explained the "why". Clubhead lead has been debated vigorously here and elsewhere before, but I tend to think it's not really anti-TGM if you think of "lag" more as a pressure on the hands rather than a position of the head relative to the shaft. If you're referring to something else, please explain....

 

[Brian Manzella]

The Book of Manzella

Hey Nm,

Take your right thumb off of the club, point it at the target, UN-hook your right forefinger and let it DANGLE, then hit a full driver at 100+mph.

(if you can)

Why doesn't the driver FLY out of the right hand for a decent player?

Don't hurt yourself, it ain't in ANY book.