Flipp'n examples

[Shot Limit]

If you swung a baseball bat horizontally, is that basically the proper hand action through the ball in a golf swing or is that like timing the flip?

The hands roll in a baseball swing, it's not a flip, I think flipping would hurt like hell. I don't think you would make out of the in-feild with a flip.

Why is it so easy to swing a bat at a moving target and so hard to swing a club at a ball sitting still?

 

[curtisj76]

Why is it so easy to swing a bat at a moving target and so hard to swing a club at a ball sitting still?

“It took me seventeen years to get three thousand hits in baseball. I did it in one afternoon on the golf course.”

-Hank Aaron

 

[Shot Limit]

“It took me seventeen years to get three thousand hits in baseball. I did it in one afternoon on the golf course.”

-Hank Aaron

Why can't we just use the baseball swing.... bend over and look at the ground and swing.

I wonder if on the baseball forum, they're talking about how easy it is to hit a golf ball, while discussing several baseball swing patterns.

 

[wedgeplay]

I think a lot of the flipping questions are answered by Brian in the SD pattern video.

Chapter 10 deals with this extensively.

Even the soft left wrist of Nick-loss.

 

[timwalsh300]

The hands roll in a baseball swing, it's not a flip

The hands roll but they only do so WELL after making contact. If you are a right handed hitter, at contact your right hand palm should be facing the sky.

I think that telling people to just swing a golf club like they would swing a baseball bad is a VERY bad idea. A good baseball swing is about as rare as a good golf swing. Unless someone is relatively comfortable stepping into the batter's box against a collegiate-level pitcher, they probably don't have a good enough baseball swing to use as an example for their golf game. [Not to mention that without learning "twistaway" you would just get an extreme slice.]

Why is it so easy to swing a bat at a moving target and so hard to swing a club at a ball sitting still?

I don't think it's easier to hit a baseball. Professional baseball players whiff a lot more than the worst amateur golf hackers. Baseball also gives A LOT more room for error. In baseball I don't have to hit every ball into centerfield with optimal trajectory. I can shank it, pull it, top it, and still hit .300.

Tim

 

[Shot Limit]

The hands roll but they only do so WELL after making contact. If you are a right handed hitter, at contact your right hand palm should be facing the sky.

I think that telling people to just swing a golf club like they would swing a baseball bad is a VERY bad idea. A good baseball swing is about as rare as a good golf swing. Unless someone is relatively comfortable stepping into the batter's box against a collegiate-level pitcher, they probably don't have a good enough baseball swing to use as an example for their golf game. [Not to mention that without learning "twistaway" you would just get an extreme slice.]



I don't think it's easier to hit a baseball. Professional baseball players whiff a lot more than the worst amateur golf hackers. Baseball also gives A LOT more room for error. In baseball I don't have to hit every ball into centerfield with optimal trajectory. I can shank it, pull it, top it, and still hit .300.

Tim

Point taken Tim.

But your not facing a pitcher throwing a variety of pitches in golf. Give me a consistant pitching machine, or even better a ball on a tee-ball tee, and I'll hit it in center feild every time without even the slightest thought of twistaway, swing plane, angle of attack, FLW, D-plane, NSA, SD, NHA, ect.

Follow?

 

[timwalsh300]

But your not facing a pitcher throwing a variety of pitches in golf. Give me a consistant pitching machine, or even better a ball on a tee-ball tee, and I'll hit it in center feild every time without even the slightest thought of twistaway, swing plane, angle of attack, FLW, D-plane, NSA, SD, NHA, ect.

I would take you up on this challenge.

One of my stipulations would be that you can't just lay the bat out there and tap the ball. I can hit perfect chip shots with a golf club all day long too.

You need to be taking a near-max-effort swing and trying to drive the ball over the centerfield fence. Watch the All Star Game Home Run Derby in a few weeks and you'll see the best players in the world having a very hard time with this.

Tim

 

[Shot Limit]

I would take you up on this challenge.

One of my stipulations would be that you can't just lay the bat out there and tap the ball. I can hit perfect chip shots with a golf club all day long too.

You need to be taking a near-max-effort swing and trying to drive the ball over the centerfield fence. Watch the All Star Game Home Run Derby in a few weeks and you'll see the best players in the world having a very hard time with this.

Tim

Now we're talking over the centerfield fence? What happened to INTO centerfield?

"One of my stipulations would be that you can't just lay the bat out there and tap the ball."

Dude, you ever heard of a bunt?

What does chipping have to do with hitting over the centerfield fence anyway? I think you're missing my point.

I would take you up on this challenge.

I said, with a consistant pitching machine or (tee-ball tee, which would be the closest thing to a non-moving golf ball) that I could hit centerfeild all day long. If you doubt me, take a little trip to LA and put your money where your mouth is. I does'nt take an allstar to pull it off, but I'm no slouch either.

 

[jimmyt]

SHOT LIMIT

I does'nt take an allstar to pull it off, but I'm no slouch either.

Come on Shot Limit your an incredible "SLOUCH" Caddy Shack pun!!!!!

 

[Shot Limit]

Be the ball jimmy....

 

[timwalsh300]

Now we're talking over the centerfield fence? What happened to INTO centerfield? ... Dude, you ever heard of a bunt?

What does chipping have to do with hitting over the centerfield fence anyway? I think you're missing my point.

No, I think you are missing the point.

I certainly didn't come to this site to learn how to hit chip shots. Did you? Most of us are here because we want to be able to consistently hit a driver 300 yards down the middle, or drop a 180-yard 6-iron onto the green. The baseball equivalent, in my opinion, is consistently hitting the ball 400 feet to dead center field. None of these feats are easy to accomplish.

Just slapping a baseball up the middle is the equivalent of hitting little chips shots. Easy, and not very interesting.

Tim

 

[Shot Limit]

No, I think you are missing the point.

I certainly didn't come to this site to learn how to hit chip shots. Did you? Most of us are here because we want to be able to consistently hit a driver 300 yards down the middle, or drop a 180-yard 6-iron onto the green. The baseball equivalent, in my opinion, is consistently hitting the ball 400 feet to dead center field. None of these feats are easy to accomplish.

Just slapping a baseball up the middle is the equivalent of hitting little chips shots. Easy, and not very interesting.

Tim

Like I said, you are missing the point, yet again. I come to this site for alot of reasons, including chip shots, at least until I'm as precise and accurate as you obviously are at them.

As for the baseball discussion, for me, the baseball swing is far less complicated. I never stood at the plate overwelmed with thoughts, similar to those of a golf swing. Just keep your eye on the ball, step forward and swing, thats it. That was MY POINT and my only point.

It's been fun.

 

[pecky987]

the simplest reason i can think of as to why a baseball swing is perceived to be easier is because, they dont have a clubface to worry about

 

[curtisj76]

OK, OK, let's move on and forget about steroids.....I mean baseball. Let's get back to golf and more talk about flipp'n.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Real baseball hitters tinker with their swing just as much as golf people do; there are numerous hitting coaches out there.

You don't have to worry about a clubface in baseball; sort of have to in hockey. Which is why so many hockey players end up being scratch golfers (or better) rather quickly.

I am trying to MAKE most of my chips

 

[Richie3Jack]

If any teacher could make me pretty much automatic on my chips, I'm all ears and eyes. You want to keep under par on a consistent basis, that's a good place to start. While I believe ballstriking and a FLW are keys to get a golfer to par, the other day was a perfect example. Bombed a drive (for me) about 310 yards. GPS on the cart originally said 140 yards. So I pull out a 9-iron and the GPS goes blank. Then I smoke a 9-iron, right at the flag....and I was 10 yards short of the green. I look at the GPS and it appears again and now says 154 to the pin.

Anyway, morale of the story was I couldn't get up and down...which was understandable, but I should be coming closer to getting up and down than the lousy chip and sloppy putt I made. Ballstriking is important, but sometimes there's just factors that are out of your control and it's nice to have that great shortgame to save ya.



3JACK

 

[jenhaoyen]

flip?

 

[timwalsh300]

If any teacher could make me pretty much automatic on my chips, I'm all ears and eyes.

I never stood at the plate overwelmed with thoughts, similar to those of a golf swing.

3Jack, I am not saying that a good short game (i.e. consistently getting up-and-down on every hole) should be automatic. We are making analogies here. I'm just saying that you should be able to drop a golf ball near home plate and chip it into center field just as easily as hitting a baseball into center field off a tee with a half-swing.

Shot Limit, are you really so overwhelmed by swing thoughts right now that you cannot do that?

If so then I genuinely apologize. I actually had this problem with throwing a baseball for a while (Chuck-Knoblauch-Mark-Wohlers-Rick-Ankiel-syndrome). It's a nightmare.

Tim

 

[Richie3Jack]

3Jack, I am not saying that a good short game (i.e. consistently getting up-and-down on every hole) should be automatic. We are making analogies here. I'm just saying that you should be able to drop a golf ball near home plate and chip it into center field just as easily as hitting a baseball into center field off a tee with a half-swing.

Well, the thing is that there's been posts saying 'I didn't come here to learn how to chip.'

From my experience it has greatly helped me and others understand the swing. But what I'm saying if I could be *pretty much* automatic with my chips...or like Tour level with my chips by reading a Web site, I will be reading that Web site with a passion because that would be extremely valuable to most golfers.

Now, learning 'short to long' doesn't work for everybody, but it has worked for a large mass of people as well. So you may want to give it a shot.




3JACK

 

[curtisj76]

I kinda like this:

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