Flying Wedges....

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quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by Arizonian

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Arizonian - How do you KNOW they start it back with an intention to bend the right wrist? The movement of the club while keeping the right forearm in the same locaion will force the wrist to bend. Is it the chicken or the egg?

Ringer, YOU are the MACHINE, the club is dead. The right wrist moves the club, not the club moving the right wrist. Thus the movement of the club comes from the right wrist bend followed by the right forearm takeaway.

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You do not have to move the club with the Right Wrist if you start from Impact Fix. Many players start from Fix.

Then how do you move the club without moving the forearms. I'm missing something here [?]. If you dont move the hands or arms how does the club move?
 
rwh- I see you were taking a portion of my reply to 'Ringer'. It is true what you said. I was commenting on ringers statement about the chicken and egg, or the magical moving club.
 
If you start at fix, aren't you more inclined to take the club too far to the inside, as opposed to taking it up?
Since there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you started at fix, how would you safeguard yourself from getting too inside on takeaway/backswing? Thanks, in advance!
 

rwh

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quote:Originally posted by corky05

If you start at fix, aren't you more inclined to take the club too far to the inside, as opposed to taking it up?
Since there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you started at fix, how would you safeguard yourself from getting too inside on takeaway/backswing? Thanks, in advance!

(bold emphasis by rwh)

"Trace" the plane line with the Right Forearm.

Below is a photo of Holenone demonstrating the Right Arm Flying Wedge. The dowel running up the Right Forearm is pointing directly at the plane line, proving that the Right Forearm is on-plane. Just trace the plane line with the Right Forearm going back and you cannot get too far inside.


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I think its just warped? I don't think its intentionally curved. Would it be curved if it was representing the angle of approach of the right forearm to the inside and back quadrant of the golf ball?
 
I would love to get a bigger explanation of the above pic from holenone. I saw that and it was like a lightbulb going off. if we're talking about the right forearm tracing the plane line this is the line we are refering too?? (the forearm, not the plane)
 
For a TGM Ignoramous like myself, is this the nuances of angle of attack vs. angle of approach? If so, and that curved line is intended? I'll guess that is angle of approach.
 

rwh

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The dowel on the floor represents the plane line for purposes of the photo. The plane line is where the inclined plane rests on the top of the ground. The inclined plane has no curve and neither does the plane line. The plane line is always straight. A straight plane line is one of the three imperatives:

Flat Left Wrist
A Clubhead Lag Pressure Point
A straight Plane Line.
 

Mathew

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Tiger does go from a classical address position with the right forearm under the plane. And in the start up he then establishes his wedges - changing from bent L to flat L and flat R to bent R and also aligns his right forearm to the clubshaft(the angled extension - or right wedge). At least he does in the year 2000 swing I have....

This was perhaps a key to the great golf Tiger played in this period.... No catching it on the way down for the no.1 player at the time playing in his prime....
 
quote:The correct procedure is to establish the desired degree of Right Wrist Bend and then take the entire Right Forearm Flying Wedge back with your Right Forearm and deliver it through with your Right Forearm, leaving the Right Wrist Bend constant.
Hi:
With shorter clubs less bend, and longer clubs more bend in the right wrist. However, with the shorter clubs, I find that my left wrist is cupped at the top when I adhere to the less bend impact fix alignment of my right wrist, unless I weaken my left hand grip. Is that also the case with progressively shorter clubs? Not only is the right wrist bend less, but the left hand has to be weaker to have a flat left wrist at the top.

Bye
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Rancid....do you know how to pose impact fix?

If you do, then you should determine how much right wrist bend you need at impact fix to create your flat left wrist. Now just adjust your address but keep your flat left and bent right wrist alignments and go through your swing.

Does that help?
 
Hi:
At impact fix, I can have any degree of right wrist bend and have a flat left wrist. Not the problem. For shorter clubs with less degree of right wrist bend, my left wrist has to cup on the backswing. If it didn't, then I would have to bend back the right wrist more on the backswing, and then have to flatten it out a bit on the downswing to get it to the impact fix degree of bend. Only solution I see is to weaken the left hand grip for shorter clubs.
Bye
 
Its hunting season and now you have me afraid to eat what I've harvested! LOL!

I don't know if I quite understand what you mean by less bend with the short irons? I'm trying to imagine myself with a 9iron or wedge in my hand. Playing such a shot, ball a little further back in my stance, the shaft would be angled more forward. The angle created by the forward leaning shaft and my right wrist if anything would seem to be more acute(more bend)? Any opinions or thoughts on that?
 
RV,
I find just the opposite and without a need to change the grip, ever. My short clubs have more right wrist bend as the ball is more center or even closer to the right foot. The driver with the ball nearer my left foot has the least right wrist bend. My grip is constant, never a need to change it if it is correct to begin with.
 
rwh,

"The dowel on the floor represents the plane line for purposes of the photo."

What does that mean?

hn1,

I don't get it.
 
quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

rwh,

"The dowel on the floor represents the plane line for purposes of the photo."

What does that mean?

hn1,

I don't get it.

It is a horizontal plane line that runs parallel to the feet, knees, shoulders, etc. It may represent the impact plane line. Not every plane line is angled. Angled planes hinge themselves on this bottom plane line.
 
The dowel on the floor, which I ASSUME is INTENDED to be the plane line, is bent. Why?

Is it just warped or is it NOT supposed to represent the plane line, and is bent for a reason, like being the player's visual guide for the clubhead path?
 
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