Foley on golf channel

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OLIVER1

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Just watched Sean Foley on Golf channel. Is Charlie Rymer 8' 7" or is Sean Foley about 3'?
Further, talk about 30 minutes of banality; nothing even slightly interesting right there. You just want Brian to suddenly appear and throw a few beauties in there, just to get the heartbeat up a tad
 
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spktho

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I thought he did a better job of explaining ball flight than Martin Hall did--although he made it sound like the direction was all club face.
 
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wulsy

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I thought Seanie was a bit too serious, almost nervous. He didn't make any jokes and struggled to smile. But I think that's probably jist the way he really is. Throwing in the lifestyle analogies (you have have balance in golf as in life) was a bit over the top IMO. He gave me the impression he wanted to be more than a golf coach (hence the "intelligent" glasses), which I don't think he really is. In ten years he'll be off to Thailand to "find himself";)

He was clearly however a different animal to other golf coaches. That's was what came across most to me. I don't know how much detail he has, but he's definitely going/gone a similar way to BMan and this forum ie scientific fact. If he had been a bit more relaxed and humurous he'd have come across better. But, hey, he doing alright the way he his when you look at his clientel.
 
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Not everyone can be as funny a Richard Pryor, or as knowledgeable as Aaron Zick.

Sean is doing a great job with Tiger, and I believe is a truth seeker.
 
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i think it is classy that brian puts it that way (although i have no idea exactly what sean foley is about). as the saying goes, smile at people on your way up, because you may see them on your way down.

i am sure a lot of people wish they can trade place with sean foley right now. i think the shortcut to that is to do the best darn job possible with the job right in front of each of us. perhaps fate has it to see if we can go distance in the dark...

one thing that is rather new with tiger, not sure if it is sean foley's influence (or trying to project a new image to relate to the common joes) is that tiger repeatedly said things like: i hit a bad shot, i thought it over and found a way to correct it and move on.

i think this point is similar to the main thesis on this forum: to know scientifically about your swing faults,,,constantly evaluate and reevaluate, with the help of the gurus here and in the process, learn to teach oneself.

tiger to me sounded like a well schooled grade school student when he said that, a huge departure from his cool and cold prior image. but in the end, with this golf, everyone is a forever student.
 
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I thought it was good. Some things I didn't quite agree with, but a good job. By far better than anything else with the Academy instructors.

I think in order to explain D-Plane for a TV show in a sense that it's explained quickly enough and something that TGC believes the viewer can understand, you need some diagrams to be shown. Otherwise, TGC will just want the ole 'the ball will leave at close to a 90* angle to the face at impact' stuff.





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ekennedy

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You know, as quickly as these Taiwanese CGI guys can produce videos of Snooki and Tiger and Sarah Palin, you think we could get them to produce some sweet D-Plane videos. Any CGI guys out there?
 
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golfdad

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i am not sure if it is more challenging to maintain the extraordinary to extraordinary than turning the ordinary into extraordinary.

there once was an great teacher in juilliard music school that produced many prodigies and among them, a few true musicians of lasting power and legacy. how do i compare this teacher with a regional teacher with students within driving distance? tough to compare.

with the juilliard teacher, her students were pre-self-selected, from all over the world,,they were extraordinary to begin with.

meanwhile, the regional teacher needs to toll to turn some stones into musicians.

is sean foley really that much of a teacher/factor that can and did turn tiger upside down? i am not sure.

how much is the factor that tiger's personal life is more quiet now allowing him wanting to win and able to focus? i doubt sean foley has anything to do with that.

as with anything, things come in waves. now sean foley is riding the wave...
 
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savydan

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I thought it was interesting that TGC made the decision to have a host ask scripted questions.

It certainly helps the instructor in that he doesn't have to handle his own segues.

When the audition videos wanted 20 minute presentations, I thought that this would mean the instructors would handle their shows - especially at only 30 minutes with 4 commercial breaks.

Perhaps they did a few dry runs and figured they needed to get an experienced host in there to keep in flowing properly.
 
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I watched what my 1.5 year old would allow. I'll watch it in its entirety again.

I was surprised that it was a Q and Eh (he is Canadian). Sean did seem a little nervous which surprises me. I've met him briefly with other Canuck pro friends of mine over the years and I thought he would come out like a powerhouse. Instead, he was sort of quiet and soft? That struck me oddly.

The info was solid. Nothing we all haven't gleaned from B and team. Like Brian says, he is a truth seeker and wants to do the best he can for a student.

It was nice to see a guy not pound his chest about his knowledge.

I missed the other episodes, but I'll watch them all.

Cheers,
 
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OLIVER1

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I certainly didn't wish to imply that Foley is lacking in his knowledge/presentation, in fact, quite the contrary; I guess that after involving oneself in this forum, one has become accustomed to more groundbreaking knowledge being presented(although I do appreciate Foley, et al are constrained by the "concision" required on shows of this sort)
I think it was the Austrian physicist Max Planck who noted that new ideas come to be accepted, not because people's minds change, but because a whole new generation grows up never knowing anything else...or words to that effect.
One would hate to think that the advancement of golf swing knowledge would fall under that particular umbrella, and that Manz will only be feted posthumously.
Come on, golf media, you've opened doors 1 and 2 and nothing has changed; take a chance and try door number 3.
 
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golfdad said:
is sean foley really that much of a teacher/factor that can and did turn tiger upside down? i am not sure.

how much is the factor that tiger's personal life is more quiet now allowing him wanting to win and able to focus? i doubt sean foley has anything to do with that.

as with anything, things come in waves. now sean foley is riding the wave...
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Look at his swing before and after. It's a drastic difference.
 
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Richie3Jack said:
I thought it was good. Some things I didn't quite agree with, but a good job. By far better than anything else with the Academy instructors.
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I actually liked a lot of the first few minutes of the show Brandel and Frank did. Did you catch it?
 
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joep

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In one of tigers interviews, was ask of seans teaching and he answered that what sean was teaching was something he has done before and was familiar with it. Not to make it sound like it was a new swing,
 
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gaspasser1

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I liked it. I thought he came across as more serious than nervous, and he seemed to have more in the tank. He only showed a few of his cards.
My only critique is that he implied an over the top move was the genesis of the slice. He likes big words, too, like "genesis."
All in all, not bad.
 
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Somewhere Urkel is frantically going through his fanny pack wondering who could've taken his backup pair. I understand the need to use "props" to try to portray a certain impression, but come on, a monocle or a pocket protector would have been less distracting. Put a governor on the image maker, ChaCha.
 
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golfdad

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lia41985 said:
Look at his swing before and after. It's a drastic difference.
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there is no doubt that his current swing looks different and it is safe to attribute that to foley's influence.

i guess my point is that changing swing is one thing, but winning, another.

tiger knows how to win prior to this period with foley, unlike many, many other players. (teaching how to win is much more elusive than teaching how to swing)

tiger is a very unique case. because of that, i would like to be conservative to give foley too much credit at this juncture.

i believe that tiger can win with many other types of swing and many other types of coaching. he is just that talented. my opinion is that he is that type of rare breed that can help define a teacher, not the other way around.

i hope he wins tomorrow. he deserves a big break! :)
 
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