Grip Vs and where they point

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quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

how brian has it gripped in that article isn't "manzella neutral," it's slightly stronger.

i agree thats what i see as well

it is not the grip he showed in the earlier article
 

bray

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psteiner,

Thanks for posting that article! It was a good read and Brian gave some good info.

Also cjgolf, good thread I'm learning from this one!

My view on the grip:

The grip is very important to maintaining the flying wedges.

To maintain the flying wedges the palms of the right and left hand need to being facing each other always. Because the palms need to face each other there are only a few grip types possible. My personal preference is turning the palms slightly to the right. This is a personal preference of many tour player's and teachers.

Anything you do that moves the palms away from facing each other will result in the need for compensations during the golf stroke.

However the original question was where do the v's point. I will get out my camera this afternoon and look at this proper set up of the flying wedges using a couple different grips where the palms face each other and give my opinnion (not certified, this is the only way answer).

Sorting through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by cjgolf

quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

how brian has it gripped in that article isn't "manzella neutral," it's slightly stronger.

i agree thats what i see as well

it is not the grip he showed in the earlier article

No, this is a slightly stronger grip than the initial article with a left thumb position that is in better "support" of impact. A very nice top of swing position there. Good elbow positions and a very on plane clubshaft/face.
 
I've been working on Extensor Action. Wouldn't Brians be a little weak in the last picture? Should I be trying for a nearly straight left arm or is bending it okay as long as the radius extends to full on the downswing?

Thanks
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by LiftOff

I've been working on Extensor Action. Wouldn't Brians be a little weak in the last picture? Should I be trying for a nearly straight left arm or is bending it okay as long as the radius extends to full on the downswing?

Thanks

Yes, not complete extensor action, but a swinger who goes to 'end' can 'get away with' that a bit IF they have good Rhythm and allow CF to work.
 
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No, this is a slightly stronger grip than the initial article with a left thumb position that is in better "support" of impact. A very nice top of swing position there. Good elbow positions and a very on plane clubshaft/face.

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anyone know why it changed between the 2 articles ?
 
quote:Originally posted by bray

psteiner,


Also cjgolf, good thread I'm learning from this one!

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I will get out my camera this afternoon and look at this proper set up of the flying wedges using a couple different grips where the palms face each other and give my opinnion (not certified, this is the only way answer).

what did u come up with ?
 
Turning the left hand when gripping the club naturally places the heel pad on 'top' of the grip. But isn't the point to have the heel pad on top of the grip with a VERTICAL left hand?
 
So, everyone's saying the grip in this latest article is stronger than the old one.

Did Brian do this on purpose, or was it just due to random human error? Whatever the answer is, it just shows that it doesn't really matter if you don't get your grip absolutely perfect to the millimeter.
 
Position of the hands is also related to the angle of the shaft at address. My research indicates that, with the shaft angled forward, both hands should be turned about 45 degrees, with palms facing. Any other shaft position complicates the hands positions and requires one or more swing compensations.
 
quote:Originally posted by Biffer

Position of the hands is also related to the angle of the shaft at address. My research indicates that, with the shaft angled forward, both hands should be turned about 45 degrees, with palms facing. Any other shaft position complicates the hands positions and requires one or more swing compensations.

45 degrees seems a bit arbitary..hmmm...and we have to take into account how much forward lean, etc....

But isn't it great we have TGM...which says that left hand should be Vertical to one of the three Basic Planes at Impact...which basically takes into account most of the factors involved (ball position, hinge action, amount of forward lean of clubshaft).
 
quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

So, everyone's saying the grip in this latest article is stronger than the old one.

Did Brian do this on purpose, or was it just due to random human error? Whatever the answer is, it just shows that it doesn't really matter if you don't get your grip absolutely perfect to the millimeter.


I would say that the grip should be as perfect as you can get it for your own particular swing motion. Allowances must be made for the various shape and size of hands and arms positions and swing motions, so each individual will need to find the grip position that works best.
 
quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

So, everyone's saying the grip in this latest article is stronger than the old one.

Did Brian do this on purpose, or was it just due to random human error? Whatever the answer is, it just shows that it doesn't really matter if you don't get your grip absolutely perfect to the millimeter.

that just doesn't follow :)

BM was very specific about the placement of the left thumb

to use your possibilities:

"Did Brian do this on purpose" - begs the ? question that has been asked in this thread - why change - further - how did the greatest grip since golf was invented get relegated in such a short period of time between articles ?

"or was it just due to random human error" - well why go into such detail in the first place as to the exact location of the left thumb ?

"Whatever the answer is, it just shows that it doesn't really matter if you don't get your grip absolutely perfect to the millimeter"

mmmmm - hope this is true as per my earlier post in this thread - maybe I am not doomed after all :D
 

Bono

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Ok,
I am not bald but will be. Please...take this with some...well...scotch, or whiskey....

COME ON GUYS!

This is the G.O.L.F.ing Machine.

Impact fix. F/L/V....V/V/A?????

V's???? Which V's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????

Ok, need to go get me a whig now. Think I'll look good in burgandy?
 
quote:Originally posted by Bono

Ok,
I am not bald but will be. Please...take this with some...well...scotch, or whiskey....

COME ON GUYS!

This is the G.O.L.F.ing Machine.

Impact fix. F/L/V....V/V/A?????

V's???? Which V's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????

Ok, need to go get me a whig now. Think I'll look good in burgandy?

Your point made! :D
 
Turn Homers book upside down (so you are looking down the page). Then pick a grip that works for what shot or stroke you are trying to achieve.
 
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