Brian Manzella
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I will comment....
Just want to see comments without my influence.....
Just want to see comments without my influence.....
Hogan move from Address (page 3 pics)
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Rick Dandy
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I'm seeing the cutout and sternum follow the clubhead mass.
The left shoulder down and out.
The right shoulder up and in.
Significantly not much movement of the pelvic girdle.
THE CALVES and HAMSTRINGS ARE STAYING PUT.
The left shoulder down and out.
The right shoulder up and in.
Significantly not much movement of the pelvic girdle.
THE CALVES and HAMSTRINGS ARE STAYING PUT.
Rick Dandy
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Matt Bryda
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I see a noticeable shift of the upper part of the sternum area to the golfer's right and slightly towards the ground.
with
Less movement from the waist down compared to the upper sternum area movement.
with
Less movement from the waist down compared to the upper sternum area movement.
Robbierob99
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I see a lot of this: Matteo Manassero's unconventional swing - Video | GOLF.com (most specifically, the part starting at 1:18 going to about 1:30)
Dariusz J.
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It's a normal consequence of transferring the weight to the rear heel while letting the upper part of the body + head move naturally (i.e. not artificially innaturally centered), the more Hogan setup with a bit kicked-in rear leg which somehow makes the difference between those frames bigger.
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James Marshall (Hogan1953)
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Is that pre or post accident and would that make a difference? Looks like "Power Golf" background with a bag of clubs added.
Dariusz J.
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Post-secret and post-accident. Someone dated it for the year 1960.
Ben Hogan Driver FO and DSL RARE footage - YouTube
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Brian Manzella
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another one....
Where you can see the left hip better....
Where you can see the left hip better....
Brian Manzella
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AFter the "STEP" before the "FALL"....
Brian Manzella
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Working on a really good sequence of the whole thing....
AFter the "STEP" before the "FALL"....
Brian,
This initial 'outline' presentation style versus the first image of this string is VERY revealing and informative to me, as it indicates that the coccyx hardly moved during the back swing and STEP, two very CRUCIAL time frames necessary to establish/maintain 'dynamic balance and stability.
Thanks, and I look forward to the composite results.
art
lia41985
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Its always interesting to see how video analysis is useless
Interesting seeming contradiction at da Academy
We should see the original footage along with the sequence if/when that is made.
GeoffDickson
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My eyes tell me that his left hip has moved back (away from ball), without a large lateral shift (away from the target).
Right hip higher than left at top of backswing.
Right hip higher than left at top of backswing.
Dear lia,
Don't you think there is 'qualitative' value in seeing these kind of data ??
Like the many videos you and Dariusz have provided in the past, I have been able to get some 'macro' ideas as to how the golf swing develops for a wide variety of golfers.
As an example, just yesterday, I visited Dariusz's 'Biokinetic' site and watched even Ben Hogan BBKIB, however, in his case, it was at the very START of the back swing rather than at the END of the set-up phase. So even though it was an old, grainy, 2D film/video, it helped me understand better how even Mr. Hogan developed dynamic balance and stability many many years ago.
So, IMO, every type of recording device can make a contribution to a better understanding of the golf swing as we all seek 'golf truth', with the realizable dream of getting better.
Sincerely,
art
lia41985
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Art,
I'm merely establishing that it seems that when one person making arguments using a certain modality does so, he is almost automatically dismissed as a loon for being so misguided as to take that particular approach.
All the best,
lia
P.S. Dariusz will love your use of the word macro so much. And that should humble all of us whoever derided his knowledge. And those whose work is derided for focusing on the micro, we owe them a debt of gratitude as well. If we are open to understand, that is. And the truest love of learning and knowledge.
I'm merely establishing that it seems that when one person making arguments using a certain modality does so, he is almost automatically dismissed as a loon for being so misguided as to take that particular approach.
All the best,
lia
P.S. Dariusz will love your use of the word macro so much. And that should humble all of us whoever derided his knowledge. And those whose work is derided for focusing on the micro, we owe them a debt of gratitude as well. If we are open to understand, that is. And the truest love of learning and knowledge.
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Brian Manzella
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Lia,
I don't know any other way to say this:
When we say you "can't use video" we are talking about things like rotational velocities, how much a right wrist has straightened or not, whether someone's got a certain amount of turn, etc. etc.
These shots of Hogan are showing GROSS MOVEMENT. We haven't claimed it PROVES anything. In fact, I haven't even made my post on the pics yet.
Can I make a comment before you judge it?
I don't know any other way to say this:
When we say you "can't use video" we are talking about things like rotational velocities, how much a right wrist has straightened or not, whether someone's got a certain amount of turn, etc. etc.
These shots of Hogan are showing GROSS MOVEMENT. We haven't claimed it PROVES anything. In fact, I haven't even made my post on the pics yet.
Can I make a comment before you judge it?
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