Kevin Shields
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That would help the left arm to get vertical. Look at Ricky barne's swing and all the trouble he had with the face and all the hanging on he did.
How does the clubface square?
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That would help the left arm to get vertical. Look at Ricky barne's swing and all the trouble he had with the face and all the hanging on he did.
curtisj76
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Why is that? You can still have great clubface control with NHA right? THanks
curtisj76
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What if you are worried about the ball going LEFT? Thanks
ggsjpc
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I don't know if I have a pattern. Generally, hit it straight, pull cut or open face push cut. Here's a swing and you tell me. I know my pivot is not that great and it has been my main focus
along with getting rid of my pop out and little stand up move.
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Lindsey Newman
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Just in my opinion.
I am in agrereement with Kevin and Jim in what they are saying. Though they were obviously short on time for their reply.
Thinking of the clubface alone will always cause problems. don't forget that shaft angle can open and close the face.
Kevin writing about hand path directly relates to shaft angle which relates to what Jim is writing when he speaks of laid off.
If you have a good grip and tend to be a decent player, a overly outward hand path will create underplane shaft, which will tend to open the face. A steeper hand path with more vertical force will steepen the shaft thus closing/squaring the face more.
all decent players have some lag. which is like a car (hands) pulling a trailer(shaft). if the hand path moves to out from top of the swing, lag will work the shaft/clubface under plane.
Trying to square the clubface is folly. When people say to "turn you knuckels down" or "right palm down" they are in effect trying to get you to steepen the shaft (thus squaring the face)at the last second.
Good hand path on the downswing resluts in good plane and square face. That's why the top of the swing position is so overrated.
Lindsey
I am in agrereement with Kevin and Jim in what they are saying. Though they were obviously short on time for their reply.
Thinking of the clubface alone will always cause problems. don't forget that shaft angle can open and close the face.
Kevin writing about hand path directly relates to shaft angle which relates to what Jim is writing when he speaks of laid off.
If you have a good grip and tend to be a decent player, a overly outward hand path will create underplane shaft, which will tend to open the face. A steeper hand path with more vertical force will steepen the shaft thus closing/squaring the face more.
all decent players have some lag. which is like a car (hands) pulling a trailer(shaft). if the hand path moves to out from top of the swing, lag will work the shaft/clubface under plane.
Trying to square the clubface is folly. When people say to "turn you knuckels down" or "right palm down" they are in effect trying to get you to steepen the shaft (thus squaring the face)at the last second.
Good hand path on the downswing resluts in good plane and square face. That's why the top of the swing position is so overrated.
Lindsey
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Kevin Shields
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NHA hands dont move away from the body. They go more straight back because the pivot does too.
Kevin Shields
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Great post.
Kevin Shields
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Because you're under turned, a bit laid off and the face is a bit skyward. You work back under it toward the ball making face control hard.
vjsinger
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My swing had morphed into this a little as well. Long story as to how I got there, but I do think Ive fixed it, now its just repetition of the right move. I fixed my issue in the backswing. My thoughts are wide take away with hands inside the clubhead, very important feel and at the top have my right elbow under the shaft more, or pointing at the ground...still with the width. Then on the downswing turn with tilt, left shoulder going behind me. If I don't focus on keeping my center,"centered", Im toast, wipe, block city, especially with the big dog. I find if I try to "control" the clubface, I have no chance at hitting a solid shot, I must relax my arms coming down, or I miss the slot. Just my feels, hope someone gets something out of it.
ggsjpc
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I thought I wrote this once but maybe I forgot to hit the post button. So, does this mean I need to turn more, lift more and open the face more and try and feel like I'm coming over the top on the way down?
Kevin Shields
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I dont know if id necessarily say that. Just maybe a more core dominated takeaway with the right arm on top of the left early could help
ggsjpc
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Yea, I agree. I haven't been able to fh-20 myself but I feel like when I do a little "twistaway", I pop out even more but I haven't video'd it to see. I'll keep workin like everyone here.
2mongoose
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John,
Nice move! There are several elements of your swing I like. You're definitely gettin' on that right foot on the backswing and you don't have a problem producing lag.
If anything, I'd like to see you make a steeper shoulder turn. Let that left should work more under than around. "Right arm higher than left" as Kev pointed out is good. Maybe a little more flex in that right knee to tighten the pivot (for some reason I make a steeper turn w/ more flex).
Hopefully that'll get you more on top of the plane.
Nice move! There are several elements of your swing I like. You're definitely gettin' on that right foot on the backswing and you don't have a problem producing lag.
If anything, I'd like to see you make a steeper shoulder turn. Let that left should work more under than around. "Right arm higher than left" as Kev pointed out is good. Maybe a little more flex in that right knee to tighten the pivot (for some reason I make a steeper turn w/ more flex).
Hopefully that'll get you more on top of the plane.
ggsjpc
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My main thought that has been working and I don't think is in this video is feeling like my bent right wrist stays bent while it rotates at the ball. This swing seems way to narrow but that's a whole other story.
ps starts at 1:15
My main thought that has been working and I don't think is in this video is feeling like my bent right wrist stays bent while it rotates at the ball. This swing seems way to narrow but that's a whole other story.
ps starts at 1:15
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Kevin Shields
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Looks better. More behind it. Less back up. Good for you.
ggsjpc
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It's 45 inches. I thnk the orange makes it look longer plus I have grip that doesn't take up much space on the handle.
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