This is pretty bad. Although, if it matters, I know that the instructor being referred to now uses Trackman and I would guess (dont know 100%) that he is now aware of the "new ball flight laws". One other top teacher (not a real big name, but in the top 10 in GD) has come out and openly stated that Trackman has completely altered how he teaches ball flight. I have a video of him from about 5 years ago explaining the "old ball flight laws", and now I know first hand he is "in the know". As for Mr. Harmon, if I had to bet, I would bet that he does not know what we know about ball flight, certainly not what Brian knows.
I Learned The Hard Way..........
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tallathlete
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Hey Daniel....the statement he made about path is bad....but not a killer. When he, a doctor, said that a golf ball flies with topspin....thats the deal breaker. A 9th grade high school physics student knows that is a fallacy. How the 2000 National Teacher of the Year ever decided that a LOFTED club produces topspin is way beyond me.
As for Harmon and his "school"...path is still being taught to this day. I know a current student so I have factual evidence. Sad huh???
As for Harmon and his "school"...path is still being taught to this day. I know a current student so I have factual evidence. Sad huh???
Kevin Shields
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Simplicity by omission confuses more golfers than you may think.
gmbtempe
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You really think that?
I mentioned this weekend to someone that they were flipping their wrist and the left wrist needs to stay flat and that they were completely throwing away their left arm lever doing that..........I got the strangest "i like to keep it simple stupid" look as they proceeded to throw a club after every flubbed chip or chunked wedge. I agree that golf is very complex but 90% of people dont want to hear that the golf ball moves 87% or 75% or whatever if you factor in a 5 degree downward attack with a clubface of 23 degrees of loft..........The point stated on the DVD's was very clear and that was the club does not start on the path and its all about face angle in relation to the path.
Kevin Shields
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Handicap average hasnt gone down forever. Mass instruction goes out the way to be as simple as possible. How has that worked out? Telling your friend he's throwing the left arm lever is telling, not teaching.
"If you cant explain it in childlike terms, you dont know it yourself" - Villavaso
"If you cant explain it in childlike terms, you dont know it yourself" - Villavaso
tallathlete
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Kevin I agree that sometimes omission can confuse...but not in this particular situation. If Mike and Andy would've released dvds and made refernce to D plane....the vectors that comprise D plane...and the fact that the ball will start off on a line in that plane...approximately 87% in the direction of the top vector....I think lots of people would have tossed them in the trash. Just my opinion.
tallathlete
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Kevin some of us know that mass instruction...ie Golf Digest, Golf Magazine, Golf Channel....is pure dogsh*$. If true quality information is being presented, then oftentimes it only takes a tiny bit to see amazing improvements. It comes down to a case by case situation. Agree?
Kevin Shields
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You just lobbed Manzella a watermelon to smack out of the park but I get your point. Just disagree. You dont have to sound like a scientist to engage a casual golfer in something complex. You just have to know how to explain/teach it to them in their terms.
tallathlete
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I figured Manz would like this one...lol. At least we can agree to disagree..........
Brian Manzella
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Not the most ridiculous, but in the top 20.
The last 3 words of your last sentence is pretty much it.
Brian Manzella
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Check the science.
Tall,
I remember you, nice guy on the phone.
Do you know if any of the S&T clan is coming to the Anti-Summit to verify their science?
Tall,
I remember you, nice guy on the phone.
Do you know if any of the S&T clan is coming to the Anti-Summit to verify their science?
tallathlete
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HI Brian.....you were extremely cordial on the phone as well. I have not asked if anyone will be at the summit....I shall get on that right now. Is it in Scottsdale???
tallathlete
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Would you please entertain me with what you consider to be #1? I know you have said that keeping weight left to control lowpoint is ridiculous in your opinion. I am sincererly curious what would be numero uno.
Brian Manzella
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I have NEVER said weight left was a "ridiculous" way to control low point, I said that saying it was THE BEST WAY was the biggest lie I ever heard.
The most ridiculous I ever heard....
Fix the path of a slicer first.
tallathlete
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My apologies for mis quoting you. I meant no harm.
gmbtempe
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I think of weight like 50/50 or slightly more on the left foot at the point of weight transfer towards the target with everything but the driver, is that unusual?
I think neutral I guess more than extreme one way or another.
I feel like there's 70% or so of weight pressure into my braced left leg at address and i feel like i keep it there in the b.s. but it sure doesn't look that way.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-LoKpdXzuI
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