I want an answer to this question......

[mgranato]

You know, like a non moving center....

When and/or where was that said?

 

[Brian Manzella]

There is no center in the golf swing.

Unless you want to hit it short and unsolid.

If I ever said anything else in the past, I was 100% wrong.

The evidence, Greg, is a mountain of evidence.....we found it......and found almost no one else looking.

 

[kc8kir]

Ah... empirical evidence.... gotta love it...

Reminds me of something noted British philosopher AC Grayling said once (paraphrased): "Rational people employ rationality... that is, given the word 'ratio', they hold a reasonable level of committement to their positions versus the level of empirical evidence they can summon to support it. Irrational people on the other hand, do not."

Great book title maybe..."Rational Golf"?

 

[counterfall]

When and/or where was that said?

I think Brian comes close to saying that here;
http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/3675-perfect-pivot-part-1-backswing.html#post37502

But it doesn't matter since Brian posted that if he did say it at some point in the past, he was wrong.

 

[gmbtempe]

There is no center in the golf swing.

Unless you want to hit it short and unsolid.

If I ever said anything else in the past, I was 100% wrong.

The evidence, Greg, is a mountain of evidence.....we found it......and found almost no one else looking.

Unfortunately I guess for me I am still looking.

 

[gmbtempe]

Ok if Brian changed his teachings because he now thinks he was wrong before, I give him credit for admitting it. But what is stopping him from coming back and saying this new teaching is wrong and the first idea was right?

evidence

 

[jpeck]

Very off putting when you lose site of the ball at some point in the backswing. More chance of this happening with more lean on the way back.
Some brains could cope with it, no doubt.
Obviously I'm talking right handed golfers here.

Thanks, this was something I worked on many years ago.

 

[lia41985]

I play with a guy who has hardly any sight in his left eye. He tilts his head to the left at address , so it ends up about level-slightly right at the top of the backswing. Has to work hard on his alignement because of this, often ends up a little open of course. Says it's the only way he can play consistently.
Funnily enough I have abook called 'Lowdown from the lesson tee' by David Glenz. This guy also does the same thing (in the photos in this book anyway), maybe for the same reason.
Neither are no 'Tripoders' btw .
Whatever, Vision is massive I guess.

A right eye dominant, right-handed golfer is going to set up with the ball more centered in his stance and he should be slightly open to the target line. A good way of determining how open a golfer should be is to have him address the ball, but then set his feet while looking at the hole. A left eye dominant, right-handed golfer is going to do better playing the ball more forward in his stance and set up with his body more square to the target line.

From: World Golf Fitness Summit – Day 3 Review | Golf Fitness Guys

 

[jpeck]

I play with a guy who has hardly any sight in his left eye. He tilts his head to the left at address , so it ends up about level-slightly right at the top of the backswing. Has to work hard on his alignement because of this, often ends up a little open of course. Says it's the only way he can play consistently.
Funnily enough I have abook called 'Lowdown from the lesson tee' by David Glenz. This guy also does the same thing (in the photos in this book anyway), maybe for the same reason.
Neither are no 'Tripoders' btw .
Whatever, Vision is massive I guess.

Yep. For a long time I was open when I thought I was square. But for years now I've been closed (up to 45 degrees or so) when I think I'm square. I can hook it bad.

 

[gmbtempe]

I play with a guy who has hardly any sight in his left eye. He tilts his head to the left at address , so it ends up about level-slightly right at the top of the backswing. Has to work hard on his alignement because of this, often ends up a little open of course. Says it's the only way he can play consistently.
Funnily enough I have abook called 'Lowdown from the lesson tee' by David Glenz. This guy also does the same thing (in the photos in this book anyway), maybe for the same reason.
Neither are no 'Tripoders' btw .
Whatever, Vision is massive I guess.

Vision plays a larger role then I had ever realized, its one of the things I was hoping is addressed in BM's research (I guess to verify my own beliefs). If you tilt your head and eyes in different directions, at different points in the swing it has an affect on many alignments, mechanics in the swing.

 

[Billy McKinney]

Cult is short for Culture.
Ben Doyle has one giant "educated sway" and is quite ok with his students having it.
The "center" can sway around till about Release Point then it becomes a tether *according to the biomechanics study we did some years back.
Under-informed consumers lap up the powerfully marketed over-control methods with some hope of improvement since golf is so danged hard.
Wow. Brian, questions really are more important than answers.

 

[spmurph]

*according to the biomechanics study we did some years back.
.

Can you please post a link to that study? It sounds like something I would be interested to read.